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chopper2004 9th Jul 2018 08:59

RNZAF P-8 Poseidon purchase
 
NZ goverment going to purchase 4 x Boeing P-8 Poseidon to replace their legacy P-3K fleet,

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/...atrol-aircraft

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1829/...0d0e1346_h.jpg

cheers

Buster Hyman 9th Jul 2018 09:23

So good it gets 2 threads!!!

Coochycool 9th Jul 2018 09:40

And a nice little exchange posting for the Lossie boys n girls in the offing!

But is 4 enough to police all those errant Asian fishing boats?

Davef68 9th Jul 2018 10:43

Canada next?

Whenurhappy 9th Jul 2018 17:07


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 10192268)
Canada next?

Canadian fishing boats? Jeez, whoever next?

TBM-Legend 10th Jul 2018 12:42

Fincastle will be interesting again!

reynoldsno1 11th Jul 2018 01:57

It'll be interesting to see how this beast will operate out of somewhere like Bonriki ... or not as the case may be.

TBM-Legend 11th Jul 2018 04:06


It'll be interesting to see how this beast will operate out of somewhere like Bonriki ... or not as the case may be.
A320's and B737-300's do OK at Tarawa.

Heathrow Harry 11th Jul 2018 12:37

We flew in there 35 years ago in a 737 - no sweat (until they opened the doors...)

mgahan 12th Jul 2018 10:15

Operations out of Bonriki or Cassidy will not be an issue, day or night.

MJG
Somewhat of an authority on those airports at present.

Yellow Sun 13th Jul 2018 14:46


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10193335)
Fincastle will be interesting again!

I very much doubt that there will be the resources or funds to support Aird Whyte\Fincastle.

YS

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 14th Jul 2018 00:40


Other tasks the Orions have undertaken recently have included participation in international operations to counter piracy and illicit smuggling off the Horn of Africa, surveillance of the volcano in Vanuatu, assessing damage from Cyclones Winston and Gita in the Pacific, surveillance of critical infrastructure after the Kaikoura earthquake, and fisheries monitoring
However, now we will have only 4 aircraft, one of these will have to go. Looks like we can't check on the wee fushies.

tartare 14th Jul 2018 04:41

Just came back from Nu Zuld.
Sister tells me the un-informed bleating has started already about spending all this money on aircraft that can be `weaponised.'
And a P-3 couldn't be???
FFS.
One of the main things they'll be doing is making sure sneaky foreign fishing boats don't try and pillage one of the world's largest EEZs!
Surely even a lentil munching greenie can't object to that?!
Bunch of whingers.
Need a Mark 54 right up their jacksies they do...

FlightlessParrot 14th Jul 2018 05:30


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 10196269)
Just came back from Nu Zuld.
Sister tells me the un-informed bleating has started already about spending all this money on aircraft that can be `weaponised.'
And a P-3 couldn't be???
FFS.
One of the main things they'll be doing is making sure sneaky foreign fishing boats don't try and pillage one of the world's largest EEZs!
Surely even a lentil munching greenie can't object to that?!
Bunch of whingers.
Need a Mark 54 right up their jacksies they do...

I've got a few friends of the lentil-munching persuasion, and I haven't heard any complaints about this. Wellington, was it? They do go on about stuff there.

TBM-Legend 14th Jul 2018 22:47

I think Australia should invade NZ and use it as a penal colony given the number of K1W1's in the slammer here....

megan 15th Jul 2018 02:36


I think Australia should invade NZ
Here, hang on a bit TBM, it used to be part of New South Wales until we managed to get rid of them in 1841. :=

tartare 15th Jul 2018 02:48


Originally Posted by FlightlessParrot (Post 10196280)
I've got a few friends of the lentil-munching persuasion, and I haven't heard any complaints about this. Wellington, was it? They do go on about stuff there.

No - ChCh.
Travelled down to Southland also.
A few lentil munchers down there, but also a reassuring number of sensible people too.
And a whole lot of cold, green, windy dark ocean - particularly when standing on Bluff Hill!
Lotsa Patagonian toothfish, Orange Roughy, whales and other species being taken by unscrupulous fvckers out there.
Had a read of the P-8 specs - it can pack quite a punch if needed.
I particularly like the wing kits that are being developed for torpedos - allowing them to be dropped and fly like cruise missiles from up nice and high and a long way away.
Bit more of a deterrent than a round or two across the bows from an A4K. ;)
Oi - TBM - check this out.

FlightlessParrot 15th Jul 2018 03:10


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 10196922)
No - ChCh.

I particularly like the wing kits that are being developed for torpedos - allowing them to be dropped and fly like cruise missiles from up nice and high and a long way away.
Bit more of a deterrent than a round or two across the bows from an A4K. ;)

I've got no problems with weapons on P-8s, but the trouble with sinking a boat fishing illegally is that there would be a mountain of paperwork, and there's a good chance that the majority of the crew are working in conditions close to serfdom. Perhaps more practical would be to arm the Patagonian toothfish--they sound already quite BAMF.

flyinkiwi 15th Jul 2018 23:35


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10196858)
I think Australia should invade NZ and use it as a penal colony given the number of K1W1's in the slammer here....

You mean like this? :p


TBM-Legend 16th Jul 2018 03:16

Very good!

tartare 16th Jul 2018 04:36

Bleating starting to reach a crescendo.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12089992

The usual parade of pseudo-experts.The more I read about it - the more the P-8 sounds like the perfect aircraft for the RNZAF.
Powerful sensor suite, extended range, and the ability to arm up to counter advanced maritime surface and sub-surface threats of all kinds - only if needed.
Inter-operability with RAAF Tritons if needed, when they arrive.

EDIT - think I fixed the link.
You should see a summary of dissenting views over the last week.

EDIT - nope - I can't get that link to work...

Heathrow Harry 16th Jul 2018 07:41

link doesn't work.. but what lunatic would buy an MPA that couldn't be armed............... the same people who'd bleat about putting "our guys" in harms way I guess

flyinkiwi 16th Jul 2018 21:04

I concur with tartare, NZ has a massive EEZ and this purchase proves it is at the very least serious about patrolling it. As for the bleating, don't waste your time or bandwidth reading it, I took the time so you don't have to and there's nothing worth reading. Just a bunch of ignorant armchair "defense experts" regurgitating the same BS every time the Govt tries to buy anything for the military. By way of comparison one roading project in Auckland will cost more than the P-8A buy, and that's just one (albeit the most expensive) of 130 projects the NZTA is administering.

ion_berkley 17th Jul 2018 07:20

Here you go Tartare - good link:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12089992

Davef68 17th Jul 2018 11:24


Originally Posted by ion_berkley (Post 10198614)


Armstrong suggests the new Government has essentially done a U-turn on the consensus that Helen Clark forged, to shift the military out of combat roles:
You wonder about a military without a combat role.

megan 18th Jul 2018 01:19


You wonder about a military without a combat role
The leftist view is that the military is there to help in times of floods, fire etc. In Oz we had a Labor gov spokesperson using precisely that reason as justification for our purchase of Chinooks, to drop hay to stranded livestock being cited.

Heathrow Harry 18th Jul 2018 08:14


Originally Posted by megan (Post 10199253)
The leftist view is that the military is there to help in times of floods, fire etc. In Oz we had a Labor gov spokesperson using precisely that reason as justification for our purchase of Chinooks, to drop hay to stranded livestock being cited.

more farmers votes than military ones...


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