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Farrell 8th Jul 2018 05:31

Stolen C-130: Well worth the long read.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-44711694

Pontius Navigator 8th Jul 2018 09:18

Basically a repeat of earlier report and with inconsistencies. Did the Wattisham Lightning fire a missile or not?

Was the noise at Lakenheath an F100 and not the C130 as stated?

What missile was the Hunter supposed to have fired?

​If it crashed near Jersey, what was the French take on that?

Of today it is an incident 49 years ago before many of the Beeb's producers were born and ripe for the usual aviation mystery genre up there with the Sikorski incident, Amelia Erhart, Amy Johnson and Glen Miller ones, not to mention Leslie Howard.

MPN11 8th Jul 2018 09:25

Yeah, all very suspect and often chewed over here. Too many inconsistencies and contradictions.

However, nice to note that old colleague Ernie Scates did the log transcript from Heathrow Radar. ;)

Pontius Navigator 8th Jul 2018 10:37

MPN, at that was a transcript of a 540, why have they not checked the 540/541 from Wattisham and Chivenor or 540s from Eastern and Southern?

MPN11 8th Jul 2018 10:41

A fair question, although anything sneaky-beaky might have been redacted at the outset. "Do NOT put this in the log."

jimjim1 8th Jul 2018 11:01

BBC mentions -

Allegedly, the Hunter pilot had returned to Chivenor minus missiles
Were RAF Hunters ever fitted with Air to Air missiles?

BEagle 8th Jul 2018 11:37

No.

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DODGYOLDFART 8th Jul 2018 11:44


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10191436)
No.

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Certainly no British ones but not the case with some export jobbies. However as I have said before even a Hunter 6 or 9 loaded with practice ammo (ball) should have been capable of knocking down a C130.

MPN11 8th Jul 2018 11:57

The Hunter/missile aspect really places this reporting in Bin 13.

I think everything else has been refuted by those who were actually there.

Pontius Navigator 8th Jul 2018 13:00

Interesting "Rick Groombridge said" and "refused to be interviewed"

chevvron 8th Jul 2018 13:02


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10191446)
The Hunter/missile aspect really places this reporting in Bin 13.

I think everything else has been refuted by those who were actually there.

2 Lightings were sent out from Wattisham.
I was on duty at West Drayton at the time and remember the request from the air defence people to penetrate the LTMA.

Pontius Navigator 8th Jul 2018 14:28

Chevvy, no dispute that it happened, just scepticism on the journalistic mystery with its suggestion of a British aircraft shooting it down and then a cover up. 50 years on, many players still around, and no one saying it happened.

Did a Lightning fire a missile or not? Did a Hunter have a missile? Did no controller heard the order to fire? Etc etc?

chevvron 8th Jul 2018 14:55


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10191531)
Chevvy, no dispute that it happened, just scepticism on the journalistic mystery with its suggestion of a British aircraft shooting it down and then a cover up. 50 years on, many players still around, and no one saying it happened.

Did a Lightning fire a missile or not? Did a Hunter have a missile? Did no controller heard the order to fire? Etc etc?

Like others, I heard UN CONFIRMED rumours of one of the Lightnings rtb minus a missile.

The Old Fat One 8th Jul 2018 15:19

The article finishes with...


Once upon a time there was a young, troubled war veteran who just wanted to go home.
I wonder how it would have been reported (then and now) if he'd lost it on take off and planted it into a housing estate ??? Dude was to some degree intoxicated and completely unqualified - any outcome was in play I venture. That fact that he ended up in the oggin, whilst individually tragic for him and his loved ones, would have been something of a relief for most of us, would it not??

Pontius Navigator 8th Jul 2018 16:08


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10191556)
Like others, I heard UN CONFIRMED rumours of one of the Lightnings rtb minus a missile.

Exactly, but Rick Groombridge declined to be interviewed and no further evidence has been produced. Even failure to disclose the ORBs would have been evidence of a sort.

MPN11 8th Jul 2018 16:24


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10191556)
Like others, I heard UN CONFIRMED rumours of one of the Lightnings rtb minus a missile.

And yet Nash denies missing missile? Everyone contradicts each other, so someone is lying or has forgotten or enhanced reality. Or, of course, there was a massive Security stamp whacked on the whol subject, which may explain Mr Groombridge’s refusal to be interviewed.

Just This Once... 8th Jul 2018 17:06

Well I'm convinced the Chiv Hunter returned with no missiles. Indeed, if it had returned with missiles there would have been a very confused pilot and see-in crew.

Haraka 8th Jul 2018 17:33

Disregarding the :"Hunter Missiles" nonsense, Rick Groombridge did write his 'Lightning Boys" account, which puts him in a corner.

BEagle 8th Jul 2018 18:08

It really doesn't surprise me that Groombucket had the sense to decline to be interviewed about this bolleaux….

MPN11 8th Jul 2018 18:15

I don’t want to buy the book, but for the purposes of this thread what did Groombridge say about the incident?


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