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BigDotStu 8th Jul 2018 21:27


Originally Posted by PDR1 (Post 10190824)
But on the other hand "MA(cantab)" is actually a warning that the holder hasn't done a proper Masters, but merely remained alive fro two years and paid an additional fee sence graduating with a BA(cantab).

Actually, it depends what course they studied. If, for example, you studied Engineering Science at Oxford for four years, you were, quite rightly, entitled to be MEng(oxon) immediately on graduation, however, if you preferred to have an MA rather than MEng (a choice one was given at graduation) you could, tediously, only have BA(oxon) on graduation, and had to wait for it to be upgraded to MA(oxon) just like everyone else. So some Cambridge/Oxford MAs are the real deal. But I suspect the type of people who have the real masters degrees generally don't bother with all that pretentiousness - no one has ever cared where I went to university, and I rarely care to tell anybody :)

Nigerian Expat Outlaw 8th Jul 2018 22:48


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 10190972)
I think that if you get annoyed by someone putting Cantab or Oxon after their name it says more about you than them. Good luck to them I say. I hope one or all of my kids will one day get to do the same. If they don’t I’ll still be just as proud.

FWIW, I have a very average degree (with Hons) from a very average educational institution.

Why live life being negative? It doesn’t make you any happier to disparage others.

BV


Dead on.

NEO

Tankertrashnav 8th Jul 2018 23:35


nobody has a clue what an M.Litt is
Isn't that an omelette in New Zealand? https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Like it treaders :ok: Must tell the daughter that one!

ORAC 9th Jul 2018 05:49


There are people starting to come through the system now with MSci degrees but no Bachelor credentials - these are 4-yr courses where the end result is an MSc, but by skipping the BSc bit, it allows the courses to be funded (by loan) for the full period; the extra 'i' is the tell-tale.
The government now funds those going on to do a Ma/MSc as well - which caught me out.

Started my degree course at 59, which just qualified me for a student loan as the cut off age is 60. Degree duly gained. I had intended to continue on to do a Ma. The university funded 50% of the £5K for local graduates and I had an external award lined up for the rest. Then last year the government extended the student loan to cover the extra year.

Result? The university immediately put the cost of the extra year to £9K+ to match the undergraduate fees and stopped the discount - after all, why now give it? Similarity the various grants all got diverted to MPhil/Phd courses.

Never mind, I could get the new loan, right? Nope. Rather than seeing the extra year as a continuation of study the extra year is seen as a new course so the clock got reset. Since I was/am now over 60 I didn’t qualify for the loan - so no Ma course.

On the the upside I don’t pay NI so I am not repaying my student loan - and when I hit 65 next year the entire thing is written off......

PTR 175 9th Jul 2018 07:58

Like a lot of others on this forum I was a mature student at the university that has had a bit of a knocking all be it in fun. So i feel i must support it.

Hull university was both contracted by the RAF to provide software training for some of its software teams and recognised by Black Adder as one of the best universities in the UK. Anyhow, unless you went there you would not know about the alleged exploits of Sara Green, her of Blue Peter fame in the student Union with members of a university sports team

PTR 175 B Eng (Hons) MIET

Melchett01 9th Jul 2018 10:14


Originally Posted by PTR 175 (Post 10192125)
Like a lot of others on this forum I was a mature student at the university that has had a bit of a knocking all be it in fun. So i feel i must support it.

Hull university was both contracted by the RAF to provide software training for some of its software teams and recognised by Black Adder as one of the best universities in the UK. Anyhow, unless you went there you would not know about the alleged exploits of Sara Green, her of Blue Peter fame in the student Union with members of a university sports team

PTR 175 B Eng (Hons) MIET

The snooker table was't it if memory serves? Well, would have been more interesting than watching Steve Davis

Wander00 9th Jul 2018 10:39

Have not read through whole thread, takes so long going page to page since the TSB upgradever I believe that "Hons" is an honours degree, "Hon" is not a degree one has worked for but has been awarded because one has got up the slippery pole and been a good egg (M.Litt!!??) , or not

Davef68 9th Jul 2018 10:41

Scottish Universities are a bit different, 4 year undergraduate course for Honours, with the option to graduate at the end of 3 with an ordinary. When I was at Uni, the latter was always seen as a fall back for those who weren't quite up to Honours, or who were just fed up with academia. Interesing noting as my daughter applies that some courses are now listing that as a first option (e.g. 3 years with the option to do Honour).

Regarding Masters, Glasgow University issues MAs as undergraduate degrees with out any qualifier (Even 3 year 'ordinary' MAs!). So my wife has an MA (Hons) which confuses some!

Post niminals can be a nightmare! I know one former professor who has several first degrees, a Phd and a DSc - in some instances he quotes all of them, but usually just his DSc - and his OBE!

radar101 9th Jul 2018 11:00

What about pre-nominals: I remember discussing with my boss, who had just achieved Eur Ing ( the European CEng) as to whether he was:

Eur Ing Gp Capt Bloggs
or
Gp Capt Eur Ing Bloggs.

Never did work that out

R101 CEng CPhys etc

ORAC 9th Jul 2018 11:35

I got a PgDip before I did my degree. Did an MSc course but skipped doing the thesis as I was too busy at work.

Blacksheep 9th Jul 2018 12:47


Agreed, airpolice, but there was a very doleful bloodhound that appeared at time, as "BA Calcutta (failed)". I believe it was a reference, in those un-PC times, to the fact that getting to university was an achievement in the sub-Continent, even if you didn't graduate.- Herod BA (hon) UoL
The Bloodhound's name was never spelled out, he was simply called by his initials "B.H." - but always with his post-nominals.

Very interesting to discover after all these years that RAF Officers were permitted to read the Daily Mirror.

Blacksheep. BSc (Hons) I.Eng, MRAeS. :ooh:

PTR 175 9th Jul 2018 13:11


Originally Posted by Melchett01 (Post 10192247)
The snooker table was't it if memory serves? Well, would have been more interesting than watching Steve Davis

Indeed it was, I believe it was the only snooker table in town to have 7 pockets ;)

XV490 9th Jul 2018 17:17

Hell, Hull and Halifax
 
Despite what many might think, Hull University is a 'late redbrick' and not a jumped up former 1960s polytechnic. In my day (mid-1970s), only around 12% of sixth-formers went to university, not the 50% who "go to uni" today; and those who opted for Hull back then, I'm told, had a damn good time as well as coming away with respectable - and respected - degrees. Okay, the city may have gone to the dogs, but the university is still pretty damn good.

Genghis the Engineer 9th Jul 2018 17:36


Originally Posted by esa-aardvark (Post 10191048)
Ghengis...
I was a Chartered Engineer once (not deserved), gave it up when I retired, fees too high for me.
My BSC was 'ordinary' (girl friend), my MSC the best of it's year according to Prof "L".
Nothing matters once you are established in your career.
Just my opinion, of course.

Depends on the career. I've done quite a lot that required those degrees, and on occasions where I did them comes up (as I was fortunate enough to be taught by a few people very much at the top of their game). Approving an MSc in aviation safety in Dubai (yep, really) my degrees mattered quite a lot. Being CEng and a member or fellow of RAeS lets you, unsupervised, sign off flight testing of aeroplanes under 2000kg these days - that, in certain jobs, really does matter.

If I'd stayed a backroom boy at Boscombe Down, running flight trials, you're quite probably right. (Who knows, I might be happier too!).

Prof. G :E

Wander00 9th Jul 2018 18:35

Another of my posts down the pan due to the TSB upgrade. "Hons" = Honours degree. "Hon"= honorary degree. Given to good eggs ((M.Litt?) who have climbed the slippery pole. I don't have either but I did earn accountancy and HR qualifications

Melchett01 9th Jul 2018 19:49


Originally Posted by Wander00 (Post 10192673)
Another of my posts down the pan due to the TSB upgrade. "Hons" = Honours degree. "Hon"= honorary degree. Given to good eggs ((M.Litt?) who have climbed the slippery pole. I don't have either but I did earn accountancy and HR qualifications

Now honorary degrees - they do get me grumpy. It’s less they exist, more that they get doled out at the same degree ceremony as students who have put the effort in, done the course, passed the examinations. And then comes along whichever C-list of the moment the Chancellor is trying to tap up and here have a degree on the house. Oh and we’ll stick you up front and centre of the ceremony ahead of the students. And yes I crinkled about it on both times as a young 21 & 22 year old, so I can’t even blame age for this one!

Tankertrashnav 9th Jul 2018 23:44


Given to good eggs ((M.Litt?)
Nope - an M Litt is an equivalent of an MA but whereas the latter is predominantly taught, the former is awarded on the basis of research. Not all universities offer them - Oxford does. They are normally concerned with the humanities, but in my daughter's case it was for research into methodology in statistics. They normally take 2 years, full time, but in my daughters case it was more like five, as she was also holding down a full time job at the time. She would be very annoyed if anyone confused it with an honorary degree given to her because she was a "good egg"!

tucumseh 10th Jul 2018 06:17

XV490


those who opted for Hull back then, I'm told, had a damn good time as well as coming away with respectable - and respected - degrees.
I'd certainly agree. The chap who is widely regarded as the UK's top radar man got his PhD there. (I'm probably being unkind, as he's held very senior positions throughout the world, and still does). As did the chap who cracked Ring Laser Gyros. Both very good golfers, so had a good time as well!

Wander00 10th Jul 2018 10:21

TTN - it was a (poor) jest - I mentioned omelette in the contexts of NZ omelette (see above) and "a good egg". I won't try home made jokes again.

Tankertrashnav 10th Jul 2018 12:56

No offence taken old chap :ok:


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