New Amesbury case is Novichok exposure
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...SCC=1530741981
I feel for the people in the area, Salisbury was just recovering and now this. Possible original source? Poor Army will be left with the clean up again. |
Seems like the #RussianBogeyman story was losing steam as too many people are liking the World Cup and discovering Russians are real people too.
So time to drag up this fantasy again. Anybody seen Julia Skripal recently? Believe this and you will believe anything. |
It is not the Russian people that are the threat, it is their corrupt and patently untrustworthy leadership. No doubt they will cry "fake news", which is the modern version of "not me, Daddy". Off to dig out my S6. MOG |
Running in JB too.
I find my S10 is excellent, Good for BBQs too. beer through a straw not so good. |
I guess this is likely a case of contamination from previous release incident in the area. TBH, I am surprised that similar has not happened before and I was worried some poor child playing might be the one to get contaminated. Of course, the exact circumstances of this incident remain to be revealed. Best wishes for anyone accidentally involved.
OAP |
Originally Posted by piesupper
(Post 10188777)
Seems like the #RussianBogeyman story was losing steam as too many people are liking the World Cup and discovering Russians are real people too.
So time to drag up this fantasy again. Anybody seen Julia Skripal recently? Believe this and you will believe anything. This would look reasonable for Russophobes, but why ordinary English people are targeted now and not anybody explicitly linked to Russia? So, IMHO it looks like the source of this A-232 or -234 substance is in England. It is not so durable to remain deadly for many months in an open air. Versions that come to my mind:
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It is not so durable to remain deadly for many months in an open air. |
Interesting to see that the “it’s all a dastardly western plot to discredit the cuddly Russians” movement has now even infiltrated pprune. |
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Would it be expected for this chemical to degrade over time, if so how long, what effect might the weather have. Or what type of container would be required to prevent degrading. |
Timing is always a consideration, and it does seem notable that this should happen more or less at the same time as England progress to the next stage of the World Cup in, err, ehm, Russia.
Being of a suspicious and cynical disposition, I do wonder whether what comes next is something along the lines of: Russia: This has nothing to do with us, and proves that others in England have access to this material. Porton Down seem to know a lot about it, and are only a few miles away, Stolen from there. Clearly whoever did this also responsible for previous incident. We demand an apology! UK; No, no, nothing to do with us. Caused by....... Well, we're not sure at the moment, and are certainly toiling to explain a connection to the Skripals, and know that nobody will believe this stuff survived on its own from the previous incident. Russia: We demand an apology! UK: The Police are investigating, premature to comment. Russia: We demand an apology! Apologise immediately or leave the country........ |
Falcon, you missed
We demand Russia is expelled from the World Cup and the finals be held e Ljubljana elsewhere. BTW, Wembley is available |
I think Falcon has it in a nutshell. I wonder what odds the bookies are giving on the England squad being booted out of Russia before Saturday?
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Originally Posted by falcon900
(Post 10189132)
Timing is always a consideration, and it does seem notable that this should happen more or less at the same time as England progress to the next stage of the World Cup in, err, ehm, Russia.
Being of a suspicious and cynical disposition, I do wonder whether what comes next is something along the lines of: Russia: This has nothing to do with us, and proves that others in England have access to this material. Porton Down seem to know a lot about it, and are only a few miles away, Stolen from there. Clearly whoever did this also responsible for previous incident. We demand an apology! UK; No, no, nothing to do with us. Caused by....... Well, we're not sure at the moment, and are certainly toiling to explain a connection to the Skripals, and know that nobody will believe this stuff survived on its own from the previous incident. Russia: We demand an apology! UK: The Police are investigating, premature to comment. Russia: We demand an apology! Apologise immediately or leave the country........ |
Regarding Novichok, personally I reckon that some renegade with a grudge against Skripal from bygone days, obtained a quantity at the time when it was supposed to be being destroyed. Either that or later through an underworld connection.
If Boris-the-bull$hitter, that proven liar (don't take my word for it, just listen to Eddie Mair interviewing the slob), has any real evidence then declare it. Piss or get off the pot, Boris! The juvenile 'russophobia' exhibited by the weak and unstable Tory government appears to have no real justification and simply makes the UK look plain daft. How the latest exposure to Novichok came about is truly mysterious though. Perhaps the original perpetrator was careless when disposing of the remainder of the substance used in the attempted murder of the Skripals? |
Safest place to be right now is Russia, of course.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 10189202)
How the latest exposure to Novichok came about is truly mysterious though. Perhaps the original perpetrator was careless when disposing of the remainder of the substance used in the attempted murder of the Skripals? |
I understood that Novichik was highly persistent, so any mishandling during the pevious incident (either my the perpetrator or my those trying clear up) could easily have achieved a secondary contamination. My grudging respect for A Van has been somewhat diminished by his earlier post. |
The juvenile 'russophobia' exhibited by the weak and unstable Tory government appears to have no real justification and simply makes the UK look plain daft. General Sir Adrian Bradshaw described the Russian military doctrine – often known as hybrid war – by which it subverts and undermines the stability of its neighbours by combining all of its capabilities. It starts with unmarked troops and gradually builds up, and thus establishes what Bradshaw called “escalation dominance”. "For NATO, this new way of warfare holds pronounced dangers. You cannot be sure a sovereign nation is behind it,” he said. He then listed the 30 different explanations that Russian media outlets have used to justify the attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury. “The new Russian way of disinformation is to fill the information domain with so much stuff you can't tell what's right or wrong." This was not limited to Ukraine and Britain, he said that Russian money had been stirring up unrest between Muslims and Christians in Bulgaria and Bosnia, and the Western countries were struggling to know how to respond. "It's very important to keep the momentum behind the things we have been doing in response to Russia's actions in Ukraine." But Vladimir Putin would get truly dangerous if ever he felt like his position was threatened. “At the moment his domestic popularity is huge, the envy of Western politicians,” Bradshaw said. “I think things get really dangerous if he looks like falling off his perch, particularly if things get particularly nasty.” |
Originally Posted by beardy
(Post 10189079)
You seem to know a lot about it. Or are you surmising to justify your opinion?
And linking this case to potential anti-British actions in Russia in the football area is nothing but a paranoia. The championship goes on well, Bristish fans, in absolute majority, feel OK in Russia. English team plays well (while the Russian one plays bad, BTW) and is welcome here. |
No, I do not know a lot. But as a military aviation man, I was obliged to study, in my youth, the measures to protect from chemweaps, as well as from other WMD. And I recall that all such (phosphorous based)_gases do not have long lifetime (it is measured out in days or few weeks depending on the weather).. To make them work longer they should be in a state close to solid (or at least liquid), but in this case how they could be dispersed? I agree this has nothing to do with football, to misquote Bill Shankly It's more important than that. |
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