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Getting the Public Onside
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We had a photo shoot at Waddo once. The lesson we learnt was they wanted a clean aircraft, plenty of space around it so they could get clean shots, no barriers, no people wandering round the back, and of course a good selection.
Clearly that lesson was forgotten. The other lesson is that the photographers should make their needs clear before the event. |
That was hilarious.
Quote. " It really felt to me like they've lost pride in themselves." More, lions led by donkeys. Still at least it wasn't too exciting |
Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
(Post 10179350)
We had a photo shoot at Waddo once. The lesson we learnt was they wanted a clean aircraft, plenty of space around it so they could get clean shots, no barriers, no people wandering round the back, and of course a good selection.
Clearly that lesson was forgotten. The other lesson is that the photographers should make their needs clear before the event. I went to a couple of the Brize Norton photocalls back in the early 1990s. An excellent selection of aircraft from Tristar to Chipmunk, excellently laid out on the southern taxiway with plenty of space and the sun behind the photographers. And for a much smaller sum of money than the rip off at Marham this week. I did not go, but if I had paid £50 for obstructed views of three aircraft and flypast over the next county I'd have been mighty pi$$ed off as well. Compare it to the excellently-run regular night shoots at Northolt. £20 for a small selection of well chosen aircraft, including rarities that have included Securite Civile Turbo Trackers and Flygvapen Sabreliners, and a feeling that you're not there on sufferance. |
MtM, no we didn't ask them. The lessons came from feed back. The aim of the exercise was to tick the staishes 1369 promotion box. This predated your BZN experience. Clearly there was expertise in the RAF but in its inimical fashion no one sought to use it.
IIRC there was an article in Air Clues by Mike Retalack (sic?) who had run the St Mawgan air show for years. It was offered as a guide to organisers; is their an extent guide for photoshoots? Photoshoots offer the aspiring stn cdr a cheap no-risk alternative to a full blown air show, but they must be done properly. |
Fair enough, PN. Admittedly enthusiasts with cameras often want the moon, and I will count myself in that bracket.
I agree entirely that such events must be done properly. There is plenty of expertise out there in the enthusiast world, and any up and coming staish would do well to harness it -to say nothing of reading the overwhelmingly negative comments about how not to fleece £50 per person for what I can best describe as the emperor's new clothes. |
The early Brize and Waddo photo meets were partly organised by the RAF Aviation Society, so least photographers did help out.
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Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
(Post 10180254)
Catchy "click-bait" thread title, but not at all about the public at large, which must be about ooh, 100% of the population. Whereas the group you're talking about here represent what, maybe 0.001% of the public. If the spotters want to go on base and take their staged pictures of aircraft, then expect to pay for it - hopefully some of the cash will go to all the folk on base who this inconveniences (pisses off!).
Most of the photo's they produce, whilst technically brilliant, are in terms of atmosphere and relevance, crap. Witness screw-loose's staged pic's of museum pieces cluttering up the RAF 100 year photo thread. A picture of a Cosford training airframe set against some of the real historical shots that are on that thread - no contest. BGG |
Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
(Post 10180254)
- hopefully some of the cash will go to all the folk on base who this inconveniences (pisses off!)
One pre-show I asked the mob, working weekend, show Saturday, FOD plod money, or everyone throw £20 quid in pot and weekend off? No contest. The staish would have had £40,000, no risk, no effort all for charity. PS, 65,000 enthusiasts. |
Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
(Post 10180319)
Oh dear, dear me. Someone has dared to disagree with the pprune plane spotting cognoscenti. Go on then. Which bit is pompous and what don’t I get. And please, please don’t reply with all of it and none of it. I guess this puts you firmly in that 0.001% does it? Do you really think the majority of the tax paying public gives a shiney ****e about any of this? If you do then you have a very poor grasp of reality fella. Nobody gives a toss what your opinion of the photos are. This event was organised by the RAF, not the spotters. They were promised things that weren't delivered. At £50 a pop they have every right to have a moan. You have a very poor grasp of reality 'fella'... |
Actually, the enthusiasts' community is by and large incredibly supportive of the armed forces in general and the RAF in particular, and could well be considered to be 'onside', BGG. Unfortunately, being screwed like this has put something of a dent in the support of some of them. They don't expect to get something for nothing, but they do expect to get their money's worth -especially when they are promised things that do not occur.
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Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
(Post 10180319)
Oh dear, dear me. Someone has dared to disagree with the pprune plane spotting cognoscenti. Go on then. Which bit is pompous and what don’t I get. And please, please don’t reply with all of it and none of it. I guess this puts you firmly in that 0.001% does it? Do you really think the majority of the tax paying public gives a shiney ****e about any of this? If you do then you have a very poor grasp of reality fella. PDR |
That’s the enthusiast community which counts amongst its ranks an individual who’s first thought on seeing someone die in a Hawk crash was to sell their images to the press. On forums other spotters jumped to his defence on the basis that ‘you see worse on the net’ and ‘he probably needed the money’. Common human decency doesn’t extend toward those they ‘support’ it appears and the irony of the same individual attending this event was not lost on those serving at Marham I suspect. And what does the support of the enthusiast community actually mean? Disclosing aircraft movements, trampling on farmers crops by airfields, resentful that they don’t get allowed into Families Days because ‘personnel sign up for the job and their families don’t deserve special treatment’? Have also read some spotters arguing that the RAF is a busted flush because they don’t paint up their aircraft in pretty colour schemes as the Germans and Greeks do. RAF100 is a disgrace as a result for the same reason. Now the event at Marham was very poor and those who paid are justified in their complaints that they didn’t get value for money. But if it has lost the RAF the support of the enthusiasts then I’m not sure anybody will lose any sleep. |
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To be fair, its not just the RAF that has issues with spotters - saw this today on Twitter... |
Jimlad, quite right, why don't they use their now and stern thrusters, then they wouldn't need tugboats.
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