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dook 14th Jun 2018 12:10

I just knew this thread would be a "slate the Jaguar" thread.

All the rubbish said about it is by people who have never flown it. My 1850 hours flying the aeroplane were very enjoyable.

SHUT UP you aholes.

NutLoose 14th Jun 2018 14:09

You could of halved those hours if you went by Tornado...Phantom... etc etc etc
:)

Sorry, one couldn't resist.

Pontius Navigator 14th Jun 2018 15:12

In early days I gained the impression that the accident rate was quite high. I see from a 1981 report that there had been 5 crashes where the pilot lost control.

Did things improve? Again I got the impression that they did.

NutLoose 14th Jun 2018 15:18

To be fair they were very reliable and didn't need a huge complement of manpower to look after them.

Heathrow Harry 14th Jun 2018 18:34

Capable, reliable, rel. low cost to buy and run......

sexy no butTBH we could do with something similar right now

Alber Ratman 14th Jun 2018 19:21

The poor cockpit ergonomics of the bolt in British avionics suite and the unreliablity of the Nav kit in the beginning were not strong points, in fact the cause of a lot of accidents especially in the first 10 years until the FIN1064 kit was incorporated. After the GR1A mods, CFITs dropped but still occured. It was only the GR1B/GR3/A upgradres were GPS and TERPROM were incorporated that CFITs became a thing of the past, bar the last Jagaur frame loss in 2001 where the TERPROM database did not include Alaska. There were no other losses up to retirement. It was never a Marmite aeroplane, everyone that flew it, loved it.

dook 14th Jun 2018 19:52


….everyone that flew it, loved it.
Well said that man. :D

Pontius Navigator 15th Jun 2018 19:42

Alber Rat, thank you, that fits my recollection. We had, IIRC, Fin1012. The lat/long display was not in normal line of sight, you had to peer over to read it. Position entry was by joystick. Things improved a bit when a magnifier was added to each position drum.

Ogre 16th Jun 2018 09:54


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10172208)
I see the Jaguar could carry 2x600lb nukes, do Mach 1.6 at 36,000ft, ceiling at 45,000, and a lo lo lo range of 490kts.

Yes but could it do all four at the same time?

And before I get slated as another Jag hater, I spent a period on the OCU groundcrew. I enjoyed the time, it's just not my absolute favourite aircraft.

NutLoose 16th Jun 2018 21:04


Originally Posted by Alber Ratman (Post 10173092)
The poor cockpit ergonomics of the bolt in British avionics suite and the unreliablity of the Nav kit in the beginning were not strong points, in fact the cause of a lot of accidents especially in the first 10 years until the FIN1064 kit was incorporated. After the GR1A mods, CFITs dropped but still occured. It was only the GR1B/GR3/A upgradres were GPS and TERPROM were incorporated that CFITs became a thing of the past, bar the last Jagaur frame loss in 2001 where the TERPROM database did not include Alaska. There were no other losses up to retirement. It was never a Marmite aeroplane, everyone that flew it, loved it.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1740/...56c0ce95_c.jpg
Cockpit jaguar by Tony Taylor, on Flickr

Pontius Navigator 17th Jun 2018 07:01

Ogre, and your favourite therefore?

ex-fast-jets 17th Jun 2018 20:33

I Loved The Jag!!
 
After two Harrier tours, I went to the Jaguar and flew it for just 12 months before going to the USN on exchange..

Half was instructing on 226 OCU, and half was at Bruggen.

In the 12 months, I got 360 hours on the jet, and got my best ever month of 52 hours - all single seat. It was a great aircraft - not especially great at taking off - but it was a joy to fly and superb at the role assigned to it.

I really enjoyed my time on the Jaguar, and I support those who claim that those who give it grief have never actually flown it.


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