It would be hard in many single seat gliders to fit extra batteries.
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I think that we should separate this question out into two parts.
(1) What signal am I transmitting? (2) Who and what can I see? One of the obvious advantages to PAW is that it can see just about everything (at least if it's got the top end add-ons), whilst using very little power. What signal you're transmitting is a separate question, in my opinion. G |
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10169021)
Yes but the DEP might be a standardisedposition, but it still gives a false impression in my own opinion. Human’s adapt their look out to compensate for the challenges like canopy arches and window frames. However, those sorts of diagrams make no allowance for that. Therefore, in my view (no pun intended), they are misleading. DEP has to be standardised so you can assure the designer gets the format and layout of the flight deck correct. There are certification requirements to comply with not opinions. See ACAS for full awareness of the capability. Currently, the only commercially available implementations of ICAO standard for ACAS II (Airborne Collision Avoidance System) is TCAS II version 7.1 FLARM is relative and co-operative, P-FLARM uses additional data, transponder information. The exploitation of ADS-B out to enhance TCAS II capability is hybrid surveillance but still a variant of ACAS. The real problem with and ABS-B In solution stems from accuracy of ADS-B Out. From the FAA:
What are the risks of using an uncertified position source? The risk for any GPS receiver, when used to support separation services, is how far the position measurement can be in error without detection. If the position error gets large enough, air traffic control would not be able to provide safe separation between your aircraft and other traffic in your vicinity. FAA and our international peers conducted a safety analysis prior to publishing the final ADS-B rule to determine what this error detection boundary should be and the ADS-B performance requirements are based on the results of this safety analysis.
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SJ SIL = Source Integrity Level and at level 1 it is the lowest level of quality from a certified GNSS source. Most military aircraft have certified GNSS receivers in my experience. Oh, and many military aircraft have GNSS systems that can be more accurate than civilian systems if the selective availability is turned back on. A certified GNSS receiver isn’t that expensive and the £419 hand portable ADS B In/Out Skyecho 2 has one and so therefore can emit ADS-B at SIL=1. Most ATC units or ACAS systems will ignore anything that is SIL=0. i hope that helps? LJ |
An ADS-B In/Out ACAS would need to know where it is but ADS-B Out going to TCAS has no need to know the integrity of the GNSS resolved position. See ACAS Link "ACAS II works independently of the aircraft navigation, flight management systems, and Air Traffic Control (ATC) ground systems. " and FAA piece above.
I feel we are straying towards area we should not in a public forum but it appears your understanding of Certified is quite different to mine. A GNSS receiver may have a Technical Standard Order (TSO) but Certification of the capability is different and where differing systems are installed and work collaboratively. The TSO is but part of the process as compliance with airworthiness regulations must be demonstrated. |
When Mode S was made made mandatory for Gliders in Holland, on good soaring days the number of returns swamped the SSR screens to the point the controllers couldn’t do there job effectively. So “mandatory glider transponder off zones” were quickly implemented..... Doh! You really must be careful what you wish for and really think these things through. I pretty sure this finding put pay to the plans to the enforced Mode S for everybody. Self autonomous deconfliction, which everyone can see will be the way forward. |
SJ This is what one of the manufacturers of a portable ADS-B In/Out device states: Integrated GNSS SBAS Navigation. Utilizes TSO Certified uAvionix FYX GPS. Meets TSO-C199 Class B. It appears to use “certified” and “TSO” in the same sentence and that chimes with my understanding. An ADS-B In/Out ACAS would need to know where it is but ADS-B Out going to TCAS has no need to know the integrity of the GNSS resolved position. See ACAS Link "ACAS II works independently of the aircraft navigation, flight management systems, and Air Traffic Control (ATC) ground systems. " and FAA piece above. That is how I understand it, anyway! |
TCAS works by plotting successive responses to interrogation to determine a track and a potential threat and estimates a closet point of approach. Altitude information is key in that solution, hence only TA when no Mode C/S. It is as I said about relativity and co-operation.
Regarding TSOs: Extended Squitter Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B) and Traffic Information Service - Broadcast (TIS-B) Equipment Operating on the Radio Frequency of 1090 Megahertz (MHz) TSO-C166b PURPOSE. This technical standard order (TSO) is for manufacturers applying for a TSO authorization (TSOA) or letter of design approval (LODA). In it, we (the Federal Aviation Administration, or FAA) tell you what minimum performance standards (MPS) your 1090 MHz ADS-B and TIS-B equipment must first meet for approval and identification with the applicable TSO marking. Manufacturers means Eqpt manufacturers such as Honeywell or Garmin, they can get eqpt assessed as meeting the TSO and it then is a commercially viable product. Aircraft designers, or other DOs then use this eqpt to install the systems in the aircraft they design and use the credit from the TSO rather than starting from scratch but they must get Certification (Airworthiness Approval). From AC 20-165 Airworthiness Approval of Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B) Out Systems - 2-1. ADS-B System Approval Process. a. This AC addresses the initial airworthiness approval through the type certification or supplemental type certification process of an ADS-B Out system that meets the equipment requirements of 14 CFR § 91.227. c. ADS-B Out System Components. The ADS-B system is depicted in figure 1 and includes the ADS-B equipment, a position source, a barometric altitude source, an air-ground status source, a TCAS II source if the aircraft is equipped with TCAS II, an optional heading source, and all associated antennas and displays. Para 3.7 (b) ADS-B Function Failure. The ADS-B system depends on a position source to provide the data to populate the ADS-B messages and reports. This position source or interface may fail and prevent the system from providing pertinent information to the ADS-B equipment. In this case, the ADS-B system cannot function, but there is not a failure of the ADS-B equipment. TSO-C166b and TSO-C154c require this condition to be annunciated. The ADS-B system should indicate this position source or interface failure independently of the ADS-B equipment failure annunciation. The flight manual must describe the means to interpret the difference between the device failure and function failure annunciations if the annunciations are not unique. The ADS-B function failure must not cause a TCAS II system failure. As you recognise the intent of hybrid surveillance is to reduce the TCAS interrogation rate on 1030 Mhz, observed above as a problem with many gliders, through the judicious use of the ADS-B Out data provided via the Mode S extended squitter to discriminate no potential threat aircraft, without any degradation of the safety and effectiveness of the TCAS. So degraded ADS-B out should not impact upon TCAS II operation as the fall back is the active interrogation it just means there is less automatic discrimination and greater number of interrogations There are loads of resources if you look. https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_20-151C.pdf https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...%20booklet.pdf https://sesarju.eu/sites/default/fil...rveillance.pdf |
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