Bob Viking
 

Hi Bob. Yes, I understand the advantages of SO. However, there are also some disadvantages and my contention is that it is also unwise to have all your eggs in one basket. Present doctrine might well not see the need for LL IMC penetration to launch SO or, operations in less than a generated " safe from engagement" environment but, that does not mean that there could not be future circumstances where LL IMC is the best way to do a particular task also combining SO and even, being tasked to operate in circumstances where LL IMC elements of operation might improve the survivability of that mission . I am surprised that there seems to be no information about any strap-on LL IMC system to enable Typhoon, so it seems that the RAF will soon lose the IMC LL capability. I do not want to try to talk tactics (I am out of date anyway) but, I do think it is a mistake to lose the LL IMC capability and the flexibility that it can bring in some circumstances. Cheers

OAP

I was somewhat surprised when I read the unpublished memories of a WW2 Typhoon pilot (the father of a good friend) he repeatedly referred to his aircraft as a Tiffie. He loved it and the role.

As in Michael?

Yes. Cheap jibes at stereotypes can be acceptable if done lightheartedly.

An apology helps, of course.

Tiffie
 

The Hawker Typhoon in WWII was often called the 'Tiffie', by Servicemen/women and civilians alike.

Hah, I'm not sure that's true either, however, the OP was about making it through the weather which the shortly-retiring Tornado can certainly do. :ok:

GT is now probably more acceptable than TU in this PC world :)

As for Tiffie, perhaps too Camp with the predominance of NATO standard replacing tea. :)

The Tornado is an interesting example - in it's early days, if using a nickname, I never heard service personnel call it anything other than the 'Fin'. Spotter/Enthusiasts started calling it the Tonka, and this seems to have been adopted by some within the service in it's latter years.

Norfolk Land Shark.
OAP

They are coming from Finland?

My dear father, ex RAF LAC Fighter Command Balloons, never ever referred to the service as "raf".
He said it was not part of riffraff and came down hard on me and others when his beloved service was misnamed.
To this day I cringe when I hear the dread word.

My apologies for being DIM but for the non aircrew what does IMC mean (I understand LL).
Thank you.

Instrument Meteorological Conditions.

Thank you my friend.

Beardy - Finland???
https://www.raf.mod.uk/raf100/news/t...ent-air-force/

The Finnish Air Force was founded 6th March 1918. It was very small. Do you really take MOD PR as Gospel?

In addition to cloud / visibility requirements, SERA only requires a pilot to be in sight of the surface to fly under VFR below 3000ft amsl…. Currently the MilAIP hasn't been updated to current criteria though.

You can fly under VFR above 8/8 cloud at greater heights, provided that you maintain the required minimum separation from cloud and flight visibility requirements appropriate to the airspace category and altitude / FL.

IFR is available whether flying in VMC or IMC; however, it is mandatory in IMC. VFR is only available in VMC.

Indeed.

Fascinating and something there for CGI film makers, bullets don't fly straight or arrive in a straight line.

What was the ECO fail message?

ECU Electronic Control Unit?

Thank you for correcting my spelling. I made no comparisons, just pointed out dates. The RAF has an enormous amount to be proud of without resorting to jingoistic hubris. Let's be generous and let the Finns have their place in history.
MOD PR is a bit like the gospels, scripted by people who weren't there and who have a vested interest in painting a good, if incomplete picture .

Lima Juliet, not quite...

Read para 40 of RA2307(1) and compare it with the relevant section of the MilAIP.

I've pointed this out to AIDU and was assured that the error will be corrected shortly; eventually the MilAIP will feature as a subset of the UK Civil IAIP.

Thank you, different meaning in years gone by.

In this case was it significant? Certainly didn't stop the 'show of force'. Not bad for one cannon. As an aside, I watched a qualification practice on the range. It was pretty close to end of twilight when she finished (either way) and we could barely see the jet. Very impressive.

And that's the problem it isn't on the news, its okay saying they are there, but without Joe Public seeing it night after night on the 9 oclock news it isn't happening in their eyes.

NutLoose,

But it iS on the news, that's where this particular member of Joe Public saw it, on Sky and BBC News with footage of Akrotiri. It might not be on every day but maybe that's because it IS happening virtually every day so it isn't actually news?

Not bad for one cannon.

Why one cannon when the GR4 has two! The F3 only had one..

Thanks for the correction!

I missed that change from the GR1.. Why did they remove one?