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NutLoose 5th Mar 2018 21:10

USS Lexington found and the condition of the Aircraft is staggering
 
Probably not the place to post it, but I hope some of you like it

See link for video

https://www.geekwire.com/2018/paul-a...years-sinking/

Pail Allen has found the Lexington!! - General Discussion - LSP Forums

https://i.imgur.com/4slEPPY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PBcvpdG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tBiFBHZ.jpg

The Sultan 6th Mar 2018 00:45

Well done Mr. Allen!

pr00ne 6th Mar 2018 07:56

WOW, just WOW!!!!

Iron Bar 6th Mar 2018 11:16

Wow! VF 3, famous USN squadron. Can't have been too many squadron pilots with 4 kills at that point of the war. Butch O'Hare?? Great work, I believe there are still liberty ships at the bottom of the Coral Sea with P 38, 39 and 40's packed in boxes .....

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/574/pics/3_9_b1.jpg

Lonewolf_50 6th Mar 2018 14:19

He could have saved a bit of money and simply driven down Interstate 37.
https://usslexington.com/

Well done, Mr Allen and the team for seeing this through.:}

GeeRam 6th Mar 2018 14:35


Originally Posted by Iron Bar (Post 10074559)
Wow! VF 3, famous USN squadron. Can't have been too many squadron pilots with 4 kills at that point of the war. Butch O'Hare??

No, O'Hare scored his kills in F-15...which had 5 kill flags.

F-13 also wore 4 kill flags at the same time as well, and F-1 wore 3 kill flags.


The TBD's shown are combat vets that took part in the attack on the Shokaku and the Shoho.
T-4 and T-9 shown scored confirmed hits on the Shoho.

Incredible that the doped fabric rudder surfaces have not only survived but look like they only sunk a few days ago!!

Not_a_boffin 6th Mar 2018 15:18


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 10074742)
Incredible that the doped fabric rudder surfaces have not only survived but look like they only sunk a few days ago!!



I think that tends to reflect the fact that (if the depth reading on the stills is to be believed) she's over 9000ft down. Not much lives down there to affect the fabric etc...

Danny42C 6th Mar 2018 15:23

Wiki has a good article on "The Lady Lex" . The hull will probably be in good condition as the ship was scuttled because of uncontainable fires.

Abbey Road 6th Mar 2018 22:02


Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin (Post 10074790)
I think that tends to reflect the fact that (if the depth reading on the stills is to be believed) she's over 9000ft down. Not much lives down there to affect the fabric etc...

Cold, dark, and likely fairly anaerobic so, yes, not much to 'eat' at the aircraft structure. As the thread title alludes to, the condition of these aircraft is remarkable. The vividness of the various paint hues is amazing!

GeeRam 6th Mar 2018 22:29

Historians have been doing a bit of digging plus blowing up the photos to reveal at least 3 letters from the name under the cockpit, seems in all probability that this F-4 was the mount of Noel Gayler, which tallies with the single bomb mission and the 4 kill flags.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4796/...a51a5b30_o.jpg

Gaylor later became a USN TP at Pax and eventually became Admiral Gayler, and served as US Naval Attache in London 1960-62, retired in 1976, and only passed away in 2011 aged 96.

India Four Two 6th Mar 2018 23:06


but also a representative from Microsoft actually doing something useful. . . .
NAROBS,

Paul Allen has been doing useful things for the aviation community for many years:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyi...t_Armor_Museum

Here’s my favourite - an airworthy Dora:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/71/68/11/7...48bbff7686.jpg

jolihokistix 7th Mar 2018 00:39

For general background, Felix with the lit fuse and the Lexington are mentioned here in our flexible Wiki friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-31


VFA-31, was originally established as VF-1B on July 1, 1935 flying the F4B, making it the second oldest active US Navy squadron behind VFA-14 which was originally established in 1919. On 1 July 1937, the squadron combined with VF-8B and was redesignated VF-6, flying the F3F. Between the years 1937 and 1943 VF-6 flew the F3F-1 and two variants of the F4F Wildcat and ended with the F4F-4. On 15 July 1943, VF-6 swapped designations with VF-3 and began flying the F6F Hellcat.

A VF-6 F4F-3 aboard USS Enterprise, March 1942.


Through the years the squadron and their predecessors have served on many of the Navy's aircraft carriers, including the first, the USS Langley; the second, USS Lexington; and the sixth, USS Enterprise. They were aboard Enterprise during the Attack on Pearl Harbor as well as the battles of Wake Island, Marcus Island, Midway, Guadalcanal, and the Eastern Solomon Islands. The squadron also saw aerial combat over the Philippines, Formosa, Okinawa, and China.

tdracer 7th Mar 2018 01:13


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10075227)
NAROBS,

Paul Allen has been doing useful things for the aviation community for many years:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyi...t_Armor_Museum

India, as I understand it that all started out as Paul Allen's personal collection. However as it grew someone had the brainstorm to create a museum - I don't know if it actually makes a profit but at least it offsets the cost of storing his collection (and it makes for a very nice museum - I visited last year). BTW, nearly the entire aircraft collection is in flyable condition. For a while they'd fly one or two of the aircraft every summer weekend weather permitting (I'd often see them overfly my house near Paine Field), but my understand is they now limit flying to designated 'fly' weekends.

NutLoose 7th Mar 2018 08:59

Official report into the loss and how it happened

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN...al-prelim.html

Paul Allens site that shows the discoveries of the Indianapolis, Hood, Muasashi etc

https://www.paulallen.com/uss-indian...ery-materials/

https://www.paulallen.com/tag/underwater-exploration

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 7th Mar 2018 09:24

There's a B777 waiting to be found a fair bit to the west.

ShyTorque 7th Mar 2018 11:22

Surely, only sealed compartments would be subjected to crushing. An open aircraft structure would experience the same pressure on both sides.

NutLoose 7th Mar 2018 11:38

He bought the Dora airworthy and it has never flown since being rebuilt as it was deemed to precious, Kurt Tank the designer, when he was still alive wanted them to enter it at Reno and race it.

https://www.airspacemag.com/history-...ow-10-4310601/



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JOE-FBS 7th Mar 2018 11:43

"I understand that the returning RN Pacific Fleet, in 1945, ditched a large number of airworthy lend-lease American kit overboard - to keep post-war scrap prices high?"


An uncle of mine was a Hellcat pilot on HMS Pursuer (with the BPF) in the last few months of the war and he used to tell that after VJ day the aeroplanes were dumped into the sea because if they were written-off as war losses then the UK did not have to pay for them.


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