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Kulverstukas 22nd Feb 2018 10:05

PAK-FA in Syria
 
Wael Al Hussaini‏
@WaelAlHussaini

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#Russia deploying its brand new fifth generation fighter jet the Su-57 in #Khmemeim AB #Syria

2 Su-57
4 Su-35
4 Su-25
1 A-50U were deployed in the #RuAF AB in Latakia/Jableh today



https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3557683

Buster Hyman 22nd Feb 2018 10:19

Ahh, the new Condor Legion!

glad rag 22nd Feb 2018 12:25

Becoming quite the little russian testing ground.

dead_pan 22nd Feb 2018 16:52

Arrghh - can't they video in landscape??!

recceguy 22nd Feb 2018 17:58

Excellent - they will make a good job, ans some will think twice before trying to mix with the Syrian-Russian coalition !

A_Van 23rd Feb 2018 07:39

IMHO, it's not a good idea. 16 mln sq km are more than enough to find testing grounds "in house". Things like AC-130 (or A-10 or Su-25) are better suited to deal with jihaddists. One more example of stupidity of higher command. Though the guys at the front line are brave indeed.

Ewan Whosearmy 23rd Feb 2018 08:05


Originally Posted by A_Van (Post 10062355)
IMHO, it's not a good idea. 16 mln sq km are more than enough to find testing grounds "in house". Things like AC-130 (or A-10 or Su-25) are better suited to deal with jihaddists. One more example of stupidity of higher command. Though the guys at the front line are brave indeed.

A Van

Do you really think it's there to engage jihaddis?

Kulverstukas 23rd Feb 2018 18:07

Uh-Oh... ...


Wael Al Hussaini
@WaelAlHussaini
2 additional Russian Su-57 landed in the #RuAF AB in #Khmemeim

17:29 - 23 Feb. 2018 г.

Brat 23rd Feb 2018 18:38

There will be benefits and disadvantages to both US and Russia.

Testing the new Russian 5th Gen PAK-FA also gives away information to the Raptors presently deployed there while providing the Russians with operational deployment lessons.

Will be a morale boot to both Russian forces deployed over there who have been taking some knocks, and Assad and his loyalists.

Vilters 23rd Feb 2018 21:01

Complete and sad stupidity at the highest level.

How many fighters Jets do the rebels have?
0.000 => Correct.

The Russians completely misunderstood the #metoo hype.

JG54 23rd Feb 2018 22:00

It seems to me that, given the current international hullabaloo regarding the situation in Syria, it's more likely a 'statement of intent' to head off potential calls for Western (or, indeed, Israeli) aerial intervention. The value of such seemingly token moves in 'The Grand Game' is not to be underestimated.

As already noted, the prospects of getting some 'in theatre' experience with a new type isn't to be sniffed at, either.

All seems perfectly valid to me, and has sod all to do with how many FJ assets the 'rebels' may or may not have.

Kulverstukas 24th Feb 2018 17:26

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/imp_...92357_1000.jpg

Lyneham Lad 24th Feb 2018 19:30


Originally Posted by Kulverstukas (Post 10063953)

Hmm, nicely lined-up. Wot, no revetments os HAS's??? :eek:

TEEEJ 24th Feb 2018 20:01


Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad (Post 10064040)
Hmm, nicely lined-up. Wot, no revetments os HAS's??? :eek:

The Russians have installed HESCO like revetments after the drone attack.
At least one PAK-FA has been using these revetments.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWz-pJ5XcAEMnyj.jpg


HESCO like revetment housing Su-25 Frogfoot.


Kerosene Kraut 25th Feb 2018 07:33

So why do they use this funny color pattern that make them stand out so clear?

MPN11 25th Feb 2018 09:05


Originally Posted by Kerosene Kraut (Post 10064364)
So why do they use this funny color pattern that make them stand out so clear?

Probably more effective [and deceptive] when airborne, I suggest.

ORAC 25th Feb 2018 09:30

Dazzle camouflage. Note also, in the shot above, the pattern resembles a smaller aircraft, or the same one at a longer range. Useful in combat in the same way the F-18 canopy painted on the underside was supposed to do.

So confuses speed, range, aspect etc etc......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

https://www.popsci.com/technology/ar...etter-old-ones

Motion dazzle: spotting the patterns that help animals outsmart predators on the run | University of Cambridge

IIRC one of the reasons that the RAF dropped the multicolour pattern on training aircraft was that it broke up the aircraft shape and made it even more difficult to identify and establish its flight path than a monochrome pattern.

Not the only dazzle pattern they are using.



https://i.pinimg.com/736x/20/8c/65/2...4494006b68.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/be/2b/5b/b...417685222a.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/26/a6/4a/2...a3b9a6419c.jpg

Kulverstukas 25th Feb 2018 10:48

:eek: woops... where second photo came from?

Lonewolf_50 25th Feb 2018 12:23

Nice looking jet.

Kulverstukas 25th Feb 2018 13:03


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 10064649)
Nice looking jet.


https://russianplanes.net/images/to187000/186775.jpg


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