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Basil 4th Feb 2018 21:37


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 10041942)
Regardless of the 'side' the pilot may be on, when a grenade is your plan to preserve your dignity you must be in a pretty dark and nasty place. Not something I would ever want to contemplate let alone have to experience. I feel for the guy, having to go through that.

I think any military aircrew will have run that scene through their minds.

Basil 4th Feb 2018 21:38


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 10042055)
Is carrying a Grenade in the cockpit common practice???

Just don't tell the boss.

TEEEJ 4th Feb 2018 21:40


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 10042055)
Is carrying a Grenade in the cockpit common practice???

See following. It appears that some Russian aircrew based in Syria do carry grenades.

See from 6:47 at least two grenades carried.


https://theaviationist.com/2018/02/0...down-in-syria/

unmanned_droid 4th Feb 2018 22:03


Originally Posted by Basil (Post 10042111)
I think any military aircrew will have run that scene through their minds.

I have no doubt they have, and the alternatives. And I'm sure there is training for it too. In my mind, it doesn't make it any less of a shi**y day if it happens though.

unmanned_droid 4th Feb 2018 22:05


Originally Posted by TEEEJ (Post 10042115)
See following. It appears that some Russian aircrew based in Syria do carry grenades.

See from 6:47 at least two grenades carried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnB0hZfE-Go

https://theaviationist.com/2018/02/0...down-in-syria/

watching - at least they are carried in their seperate components.

jolihokistix 4th Feb 2018 22:38

So all the talk of the pilot having ejected and parachuting out was just talk?

unmanned_droid 4th Feb 2018 22:52

err, well, the last I saw is that he blew himself up with his own grenade, so I guess he must have got out to be able to do that.

jolihokistix 5th Feb 2018 01:47

Not very good English, but this is what Al Jazeera have to say:
Russia steps up Idlib strikes after Sukhoi jet downing | Russia News | Al Jazeera
The pilot of the Sukhoi was killed after being ejected from the aircraft by rebel fighters, including members of the Hay'et Tahrir al-Sham group, commonly known as Tahrir al-Sham. The group is spearheaded by the former al-Nusra Front, which used to be al-Qaeda's branch in Syria.
Analyst Richard Weitz of the Hudson Institute told Al Jazeera it was too early to say how exactly the plane was brought down. "Some reports say it was brought down by machine-gun fire. There's a couple of reports out there saying it was shot down by a missile but rebels are not known to have surface-to-air missiles with this kind of range," he said.

jolihokistix 5th Feb 2018 01:56

A related article on Al Arabiya with speculation in the last line as to what it might have been. Again we must overlook some mystifying English.


"According to Maria Dubovikova, president of the Moscow based International Middle Eastern Studies Club, the timing of the attack is quite disturbing, as the Sochi congress in Syria has just passed.
"The Su-25 was targeted during his control flight around the de-escalation zone. De-escalation zones are considered the cornerstones of the peace process in Syria. The incident may pose one Russian retreat of forces from Syria," she said.
Dubovikova said that another possible source of MANPAD system might be the Ukrainians. "It's difficult to prove, but they are always active on black market; especially after the rupture with Russia. There are some rumors here in Russia that it was an Igla MANPAD (9k38) SA18 or Chinese analogue FN-6 ".


https://english.alarabiya.net/en/fea...ith-arms-.html

TBM-Legend 5th Feb 2018 05:52

When one sees the picture of the pilot being burnt to death in a steel cage, a hand grenade is a great device...

ISIS video shows Jordanian pilot being burned to death - CBS News

hunterboy 5th Feb 2018 07:51

You have to hand it to the Russians....they are always committed.
Without wishing to disparage the West, we rarely believe in anything nowadays.

pr00ne 5th Feb 2018 19:59

hunterboy,

Speak for yourself!

You do indeed disparage the West, in my opinion totally unjustifiably.

Ormeside28 5th Feb 2018 22:18

He was a pilot, one of us ,for Heavens sake!

George K Lee 5th Feb 2018 23:45

The Notorious JRK put it best...

Poems - The Young British Soldier

But seriously... no DIRCM? And where was MAWS?

ORAC 6th Feb 2018 06:25

Russian pilot shot down in Syria took own life rather than be caught

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserv...56&resize=2400

The Russian pilot shot down in Syria has been hailed a hero in Moscow after he shouted, “This is for our guys!” before detonating a grenade while surrounded by militants on the ground. In video circulated online, Major Roman Filipov, 33, is heard crying the words in Russian as about ten armed men approach his position behind a rock. There is then a bang and smoke rises as some of the attackers fall back.

The Russian defence ministry confirmed that Major Filipov had died “fighting the terrorists” after he ejected from his Su-25 fighter jet. It said Sergei Shoigu, the defence minister, had put him forward for a posthumous Hero of Russia medal, the highest state award. “Until the last minutes of his life, he kept up an unequal fight from his service weapon,” the ministry said. “After he, badly wounded, was surrounded by the terrorists and the distance closed to a few dozen metres, the Russian officer blew himself up.”

Pictures of Major Filipov’s Stechkin pistol with three magazines, one empty and one half-empty, were earlier shared on Twitter. It was not clear if any Syrian fighters were hurt in the incident in Idlib province on Saturday. Some Russian media said two were injured.....

dead_pan 6th Feb 2018 08:58

I know it probably wouldn't have helped in this situation, but do the Russians have any meaningful CSAR assets in Syria? Given the balls-up they made of trying to rescue the crew of the Su24 downed by the Turks, one would suspect not.

Western coalition air forces would have moved heaven and earth to get to a downed pilot in that situation

Davef68 6th Feb 2018 09:44

So these were the 'bad' rebels that he was attacking?

dead_pan 6th Feb 2018 12:12

As someone memorably once said on these forums, it's never a great plan to bail out over an area you've just been strafing - the people on the receiving end tend to take a rather dim view of your actions

Herod 6th Feb 2018 12:22

dead_pan. I don't think he'd planned it. It was a case of running out of options.

Kulverstukas 6th Feb 2018 14:08

Body of the pilot and parts of downed plane arrived to Chkalovsky today. Pilot will have military funeral service in Voronezh Feb, 8th at Hero Alley of Comintern Memorial Cemetery.


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