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Fonsini 21st Jan 2018 14:11

Vulcan Memories
 
So having already grown tired of Chicago after a recent move, I decided to head back to blighty for Christmas and was treated to an excellent TV show about flying the Vulcan. The show featured some chap with mutton chop sideburns helping out with the maintenance (and flying in) the last flying Vulcan. By the way, why are the inboard throttles square and the outboard throttles round on the quadrant, do the inboards have some extra functionality or is it just a “tell by touch” affair ?

I’m a sucker for the old stories, and a few stood out from memory:

1. During the Cuban Missile Crisis the crews were all put on alert with live weapons loaded and one crew member told his wife that if she heard them taking off she was to put the children in the car and drive up to the island of Skye.

2. One old chap recalled that he signed for his first nuclear weapon at the age of 23.

3. When he asked what the E&E procedure was after weapons release, one pilot was told to “keep flying East and settle down with a nice warm Mongolian girl”.

4. Another recalled how in later life he met a Russian lady who lived in his primary target, he said he was so overcome that he had to walk away.

5. One rear seater said that they always told their pilots that if things were looking dire then there were to be no heroics and they were to use their ejection seats immediately, no point in 5 dying when only 3 were required.

Very difficult not to admire what an amazing piece of equipment that aircraft was, although the negative comments about flying characteristics from one of the test pilots were interesting and looked to have been somewhat trimmed off (forgive the pun). Maybe it was an early problem he was referring to.

All in all it was one of the highlights of the trip for me.

Pontius Navigator 21st Jan 2018 14:22

Re para 2, I was 21.

Re throttle shape, virtually everything had select by touch features. You will see this on WW2 kit such as the 1153/1154 radio. As well as shape was switch operation, up, down, left, right, gated, guarded, pull to move etc.

In contrast, modern multi function, identical switches, soft or real, are rather less intuitive.

Out Of Trim 22nd Jan 2018 02:02

That would be Guy Martin; Truck mechanic and TT Motorbike Racer who owns a running Merlin engine.

ian16th 22nd Jan 2018 08:24


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10026780)
Re para 2, I was 21.

You will see this on WW2 kit such as the 1153/1154 radio. As well as shape was switch operation, up, down, left, right, gated, guarded, pull to move etc.

Not to mention colour!

The prettiest wireless set ever :ok:

NRU74 22nd Jan 2018 10:32

PN and Ian16th

I think it was actually the T1154 and R1155 (still pretty though)

Tankertrashnav 22nd Jan 2018 10:40


Another recalled how in later life he met a Russian lady who lived in his primary target, he said he was so overcome that he had to walk away.
When I was learning Russian I spent some time in Russia. Where I lived foreigners were rare and friendly Russians used to approach you in the street just to chat (or maybe scrounge a Marlborough!). One day I met a chap who had been in the Soviet Air Force. He told me he had spent several years on a base up North servicing Bears. When I told him I had been on tankers and involved with intercepting said Bears many times he was greatly amused, and we parted with a friendly handshake.

I was greatly impressed how friendly your average Russian is, and it made all that Cold War nonsense seem such a waste of time and effort. Now it is all coming back, it seems :(

ian16th 22nd Jan 2018 12:04


Originally Posted by NRU74 (Post 10027582)
PN and Ian16th

I think it was actually the T1154 and R1155 (still pretty though)

Yep, it was usually called the TX 1154/55 in my time.

Government surplus ones were very popular with the 'Hams'.

We had a set in the 'Radio Bay' at Istres, it was the only wireless on the base that could reliably recieve the BBC from Droitwich.

Cornish Jack 22nd Jan 2018 12:10

NRU74 - correct ... but you missed the 'awful' (pretty awful!!). 1154, 4 valve MOPA Tx which was 'back-tuned' to the 1155 Rx. The coloured dials impressed but the performance (bouncing down the Med, at night, relaying to Gib via Singapore!!!) was much less exotic:yuk: Went to Alconbury with an Anson and impressed the 'septics' no end, until we explained the workings - "What, no xtals???" The STR 18 was an enormous jump in performance.

Pontius Navigator 22nd Jan 2018 15:37

Ty, only ever had to listen to Consol on it 56 years ago.

Fareastdriver 22nd Jan 2018 18:46

I used to use Stavanger Consul for groundspeed checks in the 1980s.

TheChitterneFlyer 23rd Jan 2018 17:05


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10027591)
When I was learning Russian I spent some time in Russia. Where I lived foreigners were rare and friendly Russians used to approach you in the street just to chat (or maybe scrounge a Marlborough!). One day I met a chap who had been in the Soviet Air Force. He told me he had spent several years on a base up North servicing Bears. When I told him I had been on tankers and involved with intercepting said Bears many times he was greatly amused, and we parted with a friendly handshake.

I was greatly impressed how friendly your average Russian is, and it made all that Cold War nonsense seem such a waste of time and effort. Now it is all coming back, it seems :(


On several occasions, I flew the 'UK Open Skies' Andover in and out of Kubinka, Levashevo and Olenyagorsk. Everyone we met, including the military folk, were extremely pleasant. Especially so in Olenyagorsk, where the older folk toasted the British for breaking the blockade of Murmansk during WW II. It's the politicians to be wary of... not the indigenous population.

Geezers of Nazareth 27th Jan 2018 11:51


Originally Posted by TheChitterneFlyer (Post 10029251)
It's the politicians to be wary of... not the indigenous population.

... not just the Russians, it would seem.

ElectroVlasic 27th Jan 2018 12:23


Originally Posted by ian16th (Post 10027443)
Not to mention colour!

The prettiest wireless set ever :ok:

Fair enough:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._RAF_Digby.jpg

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1155

ian16th 27th Jan 2018 13:10

Ah! Memories.

Rossian 27th Jan 2018 15:47

Ancient siggies.....
 
.....used to talk about it and grow misty eyed remembering it sounding like a "box of birds". I only used one once and each symbol was very "musical" with the pitch varying sightly with each character. Very difficult to describe in print, but I can whistle it very closely. Yeah I know, and I've got a good face for radio too!!

The Ancient Mariner

ValMORNA 27th Jan 2018 18:30

Saw an R1155 for sale in a shop in Norwich many years ago. Would have liked to have bought it but apparently women's dress shops and their contents are more attractive to my wife. :ugh:

Tankertrashnav 27th Jan 2018 22:08


Ty, only ever had to listen to Consol on it 56 years ago.
Most of my Morse has gone but I think I will remember "dit dit dah dit, dit dah dit, dah dah dit dah" (FRQ) till my last gasp.

(Ident for Ploneis Consol for those who didn't know).

Also Bush Mills (MWN) was known as Mike Willy Nan long after Mike Whisky November had replaced said words in the phonetic alphabet.

Pontius Navigator 28th Jan 2018 13:08

TTN, bit of deviation but less so than the 1154/55, and a Vulcan memory, was the US ATC propensity for converting a phonetic callsign in to a word.

We had the unfortunate callsign Mike Tango Uniform Romeo Delta on one Western Ranger.

Fareastdriver 28th Jan 2018 13:18

My recollection of Consol was the callsign; MR was Stavanger, IIRC. There then followed a series of dots that eventually merged with hash with the dashes emerging from the other side.

You counted the dots or the dashes, looked at the tables and you had your true bearing from the beacon.

Pontius Navigator 28th Jan 2018 13:31


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 10034085)
You counted the dots or the dashes, looked at the tables and you had your true bearing from the beacon.

Rather plotted you DR position on the consol chart and then looked for the corresponding line, dots or dashes. Then transfer that line segment to you plotting chart. If you could get a second bearing from another station then you could create a two position line MPP.

ideally you would take an along track count thus avoiding the need for position line transfer.

The theoretical count was 60 and you needed a total of 56 dots and dashes for a reliable line.


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