Times details proposed UK defence cut options
Apparently offered to the new Defence Secretary (and so probably leaked from his office):-
Option 1 59 cap badges removed Combine 3Commando & 16 Air Assault remove 7 Class 23 Frigates plus Bulwark & Albion All 62 Wildcats All 23 Puma 6 Apache 11 T4 Merlin Retire Tornadoes early Cut Ajax Armoured vehicle fro, 589 to 509 Option 2 39 cap badges removed Remove 3 light infantry regiments and 3 cavalry regiments Combine 3Commando & 16 Air Assault remove 2 Class 23 Frigates plus Bulwark & Albion All 23 Puma 8 Apache Retire Tornadoes early Cut Ajax Armoured vehicle fro, 589 to 509 Warrier Upgrade reduced Option 3 42 cap badges removed Remove 3 light infantry regiments and 3 cavalry regiments Remove one strike Brigade remove 2 Class 23 Frigates plus Bulwark immediately & Albion in 2023 All 23 Puma All 62 Wildcats All C130 Hercules Cut Ajax Armoured vehicle fro, 589 to 509 Warrier Upgrade reduced |
Puma and Herc fleet huh..... It's getting to a point where it would be easier to list what he intends to keep.
I do wonder what exactly he expects the RN to protect the carriers with when they come on stream. |
No -that's NOT the current Defence Secretary's proposals - they are the ones presented to him when he got the job in December according the teh Times.
Presumably they are the ones circulating as part of the Defence Review/Security Review that have been causing all the problems - and you can see why. Elsewhere in the paper one of the more libertarian/right wing columnists stated it really is a choice between a Eurocentric, anti-Russian, strategy with the Army based in (say) Poland) or a marine based long distance intervention armed forces. We can no longer do both and we can't paper over the cracks saying we can any longer............. Could be a very rough 2018 I'm afraid as I can't see anything about Mrs May that suggests she has a clue about the issues |
This is a link to the actual infographic in The Times...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserv...C0&resize=1200 I reckon that Puma and Wildcat will be gonners. Tornado GR4 OSD brought forward. Procurement of Poseidon and Protector slowed - same initial delivery dates but slower subsequent deliveries. Gazelle is also a gonner so you do have to wonder if the AAC will be tenable with just Apache. There will likely be RAF Regt Sqns in the cap badge loss. Really surprised to see that Watchkeeper isn’t on the list as well. |
There was me thinking that the first duty of a government was the protection of the State and its citizens. Silly, I know.
|
Cut , cut , cut... Got sod all to do with Beagles favourite subject, but a strong defence is only possible with a strong economy.. That Gentlemen is the truth and our economy is a lot weaker that many on here think it really is.
|
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10018091)
There was me thinking that the first duty of a government was the protection of the State and its citizens. Silly, I know.
Party before Country.. Always has been..:E |
Originally Posted by Alber Ratman
(Post 10018105)
Cut , cut , cut... Got sod all to do with Beagles favourite subject, but a strong defence is only possible with a strong economy.. That Gentlemen is the truth and our economy is a lot weaker that many on here think it really is.
Given that, why can we not afford to defend the country properly? Or would it be more accurate to ask why do politicians choose not to defend the country properly? |
That doesn't read right, if you chop just the Puma and that equates to 2000 RAF, how does Puma AND Herc equate to 1500 ? scrap Puma and retire Tonkas early equates to even less at 1250 RAF.
It does make you wonder, waste all that money on Puma upgrade and then scrap it. Surely the fleet utilisation of Chinook will go up as it tries to take up the slack, as will operating costs as a wildcat or Puma must be cheaper to operate than Chinook, and surely a lot of the Navy stuff will not be compatible with operating with and hangering a larger helicopter such as Merlin? Or am I missing something? |
Originally Posted by Melchett01
(Post 10018117)
Sixth largest economy in the world and sixth/fifth (or there abouts on both counts) largest defence budget even accounting for a somewhat anaemic economy.
Given that, why can we not afford to defend the country properly? Or would it be more accurate to ask why do politicians choose not to defend the country properly? |
It seems that not only has the Empire shrunk but so has its protectors
|
I was with you till that last bit....
|
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10018130)
It does make you wonder, waste all that money on Puma upgrade and then scrap it.
|
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 10018162)
Money already spent is of no consequence as it neither saves you anything or cost you anything
|
As Tornado is due to retire in March 2019 (just 14 months’ time) and what little maintenance remains is already on contract, chopping it ‘early’ will save practically nothing. I call BS...
|
Looking from afar, it looks like UK Defence Force will in future be 2 very nice large aircraft carriers, and rest of the 3 services hollowed out.
|
Originally Posted by rjtjrt
(Post 10018195)
Looking from afar, it looks like UK Defence Force will in future be 2 very nice large aircraft carriers, and rest of the 3 services hollowed out.
|
Or maybe it's just inaccurate nonsense as everything else the Times has had to say about defence has been...
|
Originally Posted by Jambo Jet
(Post 10018109)
ISTAR fleet safe then?
GR4 will be the sacrificial lamb imho. |
Hmmm, chopping great chunks out of the helicopter force just as a new training system is starting up with an expensive new contract where the company are paid by the number of students which we suddenly won't need..............
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 15:14. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.