Scampton Airshow Binned
So Scampton airshow binned. The spotters will be fuming! :{
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Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
(Post 9991366)
Never mind the spotters, just wait for the outrage to begin on here.
BGG |
Reason I could see were
Overpriced puts punters off, absolutely cr*p aircraft attendance, poor support from the RAF, big gaps in the display..heck I went to Cosford and we had one Typhoon, a Chinook, Grob, Dead Sparrows, a Klingair, A Herc flyby and a 400 flyby, plus a pongo Apache, if it wasnt for the civilian visitors and the fact the punters could visit the museum it was a dead loss. Why the likes of the Herc and A400 cannot display is beyond me, you burn hours and fuel getting it there to fly across the front of the crowd and then gone.... Just like Scampton! I do believe if you knock the price down to make it more affordable you will increase revenue with a greater attendance. Does this mean the fire museum can have their hangar back? :p |
RIAT prices for seaside show content. Not a good combination IMHO.
Hampered by being the same weekend as at least one other major European show. |
CF-188A Highlight
I agree the RIAT prices did not reflect the quality or quantity of the show..disappointing, bar the only highlights there for me were the LNAA new AW169 and RCAF CF-188 Hornet (my photos below)
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4362/...a4916f90_k.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4375/...16cb44e3_k.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/...448e9133_k.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/...3cf53d2e_k.jpg https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4352/...c1047533_k.jpg See what 2019 brings, if the show goes ahead.. Btw I thought the base had few dilapidated buildings in serious need of refurb or repair. cheers |
Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 9991765)
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Btw I thought the base had few dilapidated buildings in serious need of refurb or repair. cheers |
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I think RIAT is the place to be these days - I just swallow the price and hope for a cloud base above 2000’. Everything else for a mix of aircraft seems effected by rules/regs/pricing and quality of display. At least RIAT attracts most global air power. Let’s hope for a good 2018!
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Along with a couple of ex-RAF mates, I attended on the Saturday.
All of us thought it to be overpriced, given the poor content of both the flying and static displays. The latter had virtually no 'labelling', and there was a dearth of operators on hand to chat with. We paid for admittance to the Lincoln enclosure which was also disappointing. Very limited table seating, and the quality of the buffet left much to be desired. On the plus side, access and departure was well organised; and the attitude of the volunteers was commendable. Hope RIAT 2018 comes up trumps. |
I feel privileged to have been born and lived my formative years in what was probably the best ever time for airshows.
Farnborough 1960s et al, military and civilian. At least the Cold War era did have one advantage! Nothing now comes close. |
Originally Posted by jindabyne
(Post 9991994)
Along with a couple of ex-RAF mates, I attended on the Saturday.
All of us thought it to be overpriced, given the poor content of both the flying and static displays. The latter had virtually no 'labelling', and there was a dearth of operators on hand to chat with. We paid for admittance to the Lincoln enclosure which was also disappointing. Very limited table seating, and the quality of the buffet left much to be desired. On the plus side, access and departure was well organised; and the attitude of the volunteers was commendable. Hope RIAT 2018 comes up trumps. |
Yep the one thing that always comes across to me as a positive in all the shows I visit is the Aircadets, indeed all the cadet forces, they work for nothing and do a superb job, marshalling traffic and generally being where needed, hats off to them all, one saved me quite a bit of Money when I lost my lens cover off a lens.
As ex RAF as I have said before I thought the 2016 Cosford show air content was an embarrassment to the RAF with the poor content, even allowing for the weather. I realise the current generation of new punters probably haven't seen the likes of a Battle of Britain at home show or a Riat of the 70's etc where it would be a packed show from start to finish and the end of the Coldwar probably put paid to those, but a show with poor content, large gaps and poor commentary seem the norm these days. |
BGG, agree. A show I organised 30 years ago had too many events if that be possible.
VC10k and two F2 together. 4 F4 and 4 F2 together. C141 static. 12 Spitfire, Lancaster, Mustang, Mosquito and so on. Oh F6, A10, |
Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
(Post 9992613)
Maybe it’s time to let if go and realise that, in the main, the sort of air shows that you reminisce about, are simply a thing of the past. Times have changed, the RAF has changed, what people want has changed, acceptance of risk has changed, along with a whole host of other things. Perhaps you just need to accept that those days have long gone and maybe stop droning on (pissing in the wind) about it.
Just a thought. BGG |
BIG
Agree - aside from your unnecessary last sentence (we're all entitled to a view). Also agree with Nut. Change is inevitable, loss of quality is not. PN - disagree (unless you were tongue in cheek!) |
Jind, indeed TIC. The problem we had was organising slot times. Every minute was accounted for with slots organised for several recoveries and departures between displays. Absolutely no slack. BAe at one point wanted to despatch an F3. They had to wait and take an opportunity slot. Then we had an approach end RHAG engagement and a race to clear the active while a display continued above.
The Static was also maxed with aircraft parked under the 141. |
French Air Force seem to do shows rather well. Parking in local shopping zone (shops close Sundays), or ar Rochefort on the runway at the old naval airfield down the road, free Air Force bus to show. €10 max entry fee, kids free. Most expensive lunch about €6, sausage and frites or a huge cheese and ham baguette, and easy back to parking again in the free bus. Families see it as a day out and love it. lots of "spotters" too.
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Wander, did they have heavy metal display with more than a Singleton? One year at Waddo we had an ACMI Det. We asked the French if they could fly their F1. They said they were display qualified and did a superb pairs display. It was by far the most impressive of the FJ displays largely because it was a pair.
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They usually display all they have - also for little "village" air shows (more like "fete with flying " but good fun) they usually produce something out of the hat. However, I believe they have disbanded the 4-ship Epsilon team that was always very good value
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