Why would it "serve him right"?

Perhaps it is.

Like it or not Brexit is happening so let's give David Davis everything he needs to make things easier for him to negotiate the very best deal possible, in comparison with the "Divorce bill" the cost of RAF Air transport is fractions of peanuts.

......and since you are prattling on about the German concept of plebiscite prohibition, take a look at the Swiss system, which is such an integral part of the hugely successful, peaceful, and prosperous country.

IMHO Davis is waste of oxygen, appears to have no idea of the concept of negotiation and could not negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag - only saying......

Whereas the Remain campaign was a model of truth and good humour.

I can't be @rsed to find some of Gideon Osborne's (yes - that's his real name) more dire predictions.... err ......none of which seem to have happened.

Other than that since the referendum the UK growth has gone from top to bottom of the G7 list and the PSBR has risen exponentially whilst the £ has fallen by more than one-fifth -- leading to high inflation on imported food, to say nothing of the Government having lost its majority in the HoC and faces the real prospect of losing the next election to the most left wing Government in the history of Parliament.

Well I am no fan of Davis either in terms of politics or competence although he does, rather belatedly seemed to have learned that all this 'European Nonsense' isnt nonsense and isnt straightforward.

However he is the minister responsible for something very important and an RAF jet seems fine to me in these circumstances.. Of course if Boris or Gove are involved I suggest the Airlander as singularly appropriate.

As for all this idiocy about Lancasters and Germany that sort of attiude got us into this Brexit mess, it was over 70 years ago who is the better off nation nowadays

I doesn't matter whether you like/dislike Davis or what your views are on Brexit. He is a senior government minister and should use the appropriate transport which I thought would be, in this case, 32.

They haven't happened yet, because we haven't left yet.

Ah, the Swiss system https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...A4H05920140518

Perhaps this could be our post-Brexit model of government? I'm sure the great British public will appreciate the importance of airborne maritime patrol and all the rest of it.

(Managed to get it back to military aviation there, just).

Perhaps the British could be persuaded to have a decent maritime patrol capability, and a more capable military, if an intelligent government could tell the facts in a decent programme of education.

The French government persuaded the French people to accept nuclear electricity generation and now over 85 % of the electricity is so generated and independent of overseas oil. It was achieved and now it's just accepted as an excellent source of their power.

The French and German governments invest... Simples.

Beagle
 

See what you started? Hardly a week goes by without you ranting about Brexit and hurling insults at Cameron for 'granting' a referendum ( for which 544 MPs voted yes to hold a Yes/NO vote ), the leaders of the Leave Camp and all those of us who voted to leave.

I wasn't going to continue replying to your garbage but if you think people like me were hoodwinked by Davies, Gove and Johnson then you really need your head examined! I and many of my friends have been anti-EU ( not Europe, Germany or Europeans! ) since Gove and Johnson were in short trousers.

Noted...:rolleyes:


>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have been anti-EU for decades, and voted Remain. There, I've said it.

However we need up where we are is somewhat irrelevant, as it is now a Fact.

The use of No. 32 (The Royal) Squadron by Cabinet Ministers [in addition to Royalty] is what it exists for.

Can we have a Referendum on whether this quasi-political Thread should die? :mad:

Have you ever flown in the RAF Jetstream Mk1 with Astazou engines?
Sure before they were withdrawn the FAA Mk 2 s were used for VIPs but they had Garretts.

We are where we are.

Blame, recriminations, insults, threats, are not going to help any of us [us = all the inhabitants and temporary inhabitants of the UK] find a way forward to a post-Brexit era that is as good as [or least bad as] it can be.

Meantime I believe the BBC is shockingly biased and seemingly inent on dragging us all down with the ship. And if we go down, apart from the dubious satisfaction of saying "we told you so" where is the mileage in that posture?

What I find dispiriting is people taking the side of an EU who now wishes our country economic harm.

There are no excuses for holding that position.

The economic harm will happen regardless of what we think. Any of you lot had to deal with crap of customs movement of stuff recently? I have and what a pain in the butt, arguing whom is going to pay a bill.

They DON'T wish our country economic harm, they want the best economic deal for them (this is a completely logical position to hold, and is the same position that the UK holds - how are people surprised at this?!).

The fact that Brexit will cause the UK economic harm is not the EU's fault, it is ours alone.

The BBC's job is to tell us the facts, not to tell us what we want to hear. There is no upside to Brexit, which is why they are not reporting one.

Harrier, VC10, Lightning - there, some military aviation to keep everyone happy (ish).

What I love (!) about threads like this is that everybody believes wholeheartedly that they are right. They also believe it is their duty to try to change the mind of anyone who disagrees with them.

The government asked us a question and we (who voted) gave our answers. Job done.

The fact is nobody knows what happens next. It might be the best decision we ever made. It might be the end of Britain as we know it.

Whining changes nothing. It just gets very boring.

Can we change the record now?

BV

You're quite right Bob (speaking as someone who is as guilty as anyone). As I've said on a previous thread a long time ago, the internet is good for two things - arguing with strangers, and looking at pictures of cats.

I like cats.

Sadly I don’t like cats. Although if they’re going by their other name there’s plenty of pictures of that on the internet as well.

As for DD using an RAF jet (back on topic), isn’t that what they’re there for? It’s a pretty slow news day if that is even a story.

BV

I may be a Remainer but what I see here is a ridiculous attempt by someone to get some dirt splashed onto DD

It could be the Remain campaign or (just as likely) some of his close colleagues around the cabinet table.

As Bob V and other have said tht's what the planes' are there for

I refer you to my post #39

Pretty crass statement since we don't yet know just what has and has not been agreed with Barnier and Tusk and co.

Unless, of course, you have inside information, paricularly in your personal contact with Davis and his negotiating team. If so let's hear of your experiences with them, ( and your experience with slimy second hand car dealers! )

Meanwhile, let's just give Davis every support, he has one hell of a job, we can judge him when whatever deal is finalised. Like it or not he has been tasked with probably the most difficult negotiation since WW 2.

Never heard WW 2 described as a negotiation before.

**hat, coat**

"things have not necessarily turned out to our advantage" - the Emperor of Japan 1945

It does look like a made-up story. His staff will submit bids to the comms fleet tasking and if a task line is available that would meet his timescales then he would get an aircraft and a cup of tea. If the bid was unsuccessful then he would have to travel civair.

My guess someone has changed the word 'bid' for 'demand' to make it look bad. The government pays for the service so it is quite right that it can make bids in accordance with the extant policy.

Hat, coat and P45. I was using the WW2 point as a TIME MARKER.

sorry, double click.

To quote Frankie Boyle- the kind of man who would pay full price for a DFS sofa.

Cat F - you have it in one. you don't start negotiations, when you have little clout, by shouting at the other side

By contrast to the litany of threats and insults from the EU, so far DD has been a model of politeness. And that’s despite a barrage of catcalls and kazoo honking from individuals in UK desperate for negotiations to fail .

If you prefer, Corbyn has stated up front he (that’s WE!) will pay any price to avoid no-deal. Would you buy a used bicycle on those terms?

What threats? what insults??

it's that clown Boris who goes round making threats..

we have a ZERO negotiating position - we're faced with no rise in incomes to beyond 2025 and companies are leaving the UK as fast as they can and these idiots think we can bluster our way through.........................

this makes opening the gates of Troy to a large horse look like a sane decision

ShotOne, you're just repeating yourself now (#26).

You're missing the point - it's not about whether remainers would prefer DD or Corbyn. We would prefer not to be in this race to the bottom in the first place.

And as HH asks, what threats??

UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must settle your account and you will lose your access to the club facilities.
UK: STOP THREATENING ME!

Correction for you ..

UK: I want to leave your club.
EU: We would prefer that you didn't, but if you insist you must pay us a kings ransom or we won't even speak to you afterwards, and you will lose your access to the club facilities but we will still insist you live by all our rules, and we will tell you what you can and can't do with those horrible other people who are not in our club. We will not negotiate with you we will simply tell you what we want and you WILL do it.
UK: Sorry old boy, not interested. Negotiate or be damned .. :)

As it happens, Mi26 I’d have preferred not to be in the race either. But we were both outvoted...by more people than have voted for anything in our nations history.

..and how can you accuse me of repeating myself then trot out the well-worn club tale. I’ve left several clubs over the years and never ever been presented with a bill. How much did the French pay when they left NATO?

Quotes from melmothtw:
"Sums up everything that is wrong with the Brexit mindset - the EU is not the Third Reich..."
The Fourth, perhaps?
"...and Europeans are not our enemy."
Quite, that would be the EU and its apparatchiks.

Quote from BEagle:
"One thing which Germany learned from the Third Reich era was that plebiscites are dangerously vulnerable to propaganda... [...] So it wouldn't have been possible to have held a plebiscite, such as Cameron's referendum, in Germany - because they are now illegal. While the mood of the people can influence, the constitution allows only the elected government to makes decisions on national policy."
The trouble with MPs is that they live in a parliamentary bubble and are "dangerously vulnerable", as you put it, to group-think.

To suggest that weary HMG ministers travelling on vital business of state should not be allowed to use military transport aircraft, where available, is outrageous. Reading the anti-British sentiments from several of the ex-RAF personnel on this thread begs the question of where their loyalties lay during their years in the service.

"I'll get my coat..." :mad: :ugh:

What anti-British sentiment?

I do not believe that anyone, be they Brexiter or Remainer, ex-armed forces or civilian, voted the way they did to be anti-British, quite the reverse actually.

Obviously people have different opinions on what is better for Britain, but that in no way, shape or form can be described as anti-British.

What a ridiculous and insulting statement to make.

Quote from Avionker:
"Obviously people have different opinions on what is better for Britain, but that in no way, shape or form can be described as anti-British."

Opinions are one thing. Characterising the referendum result and this government's stated intention to implement it as some kind of madness, and talking down the country's prospects - in line with most of our mainstream media - are unnecessary and unpatriotic. By all means criticise the government's Brexit strategy, and its negotiation skills. But talking up the EU's position in general and Barnier's performance in particular, while suggesting Britain's position is unreasonable and untenable - not to mention gratuitous, personal insults at our chief negotiator - are something else.

You used to love cats.. Underpowerd but did what they said on the tin and didn't sulk. :E