Swedish AF Herc display
I must be getting old but Bud Holland's name came to mind in watching this video from the late 80s. (as a bonus, at 5.25 he shuts down the outboards..)
Apologies if this has been posted here before. |
Very sporting!
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Great to see a large aeroplane being manoeuvred beyond 30deg AoB. Such a shame that we don't see more multis being role demo'd or even displayed.
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There was a Dutch F-27 display in the late 1970s that was flown with one of the props feathered. Saw it at IAT/RIAT a couple of times iirc.
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The Dutch F-27 display was always excellent.
Sure I saw some video of the Swedish AF C-130 being looped, though it could have been that wing over got a little more extreme on occasion. I once saw the F-27 get close to wings level inverted at Biggin. |
There have been some pretty sparkling F-27,C-27J, G222, Transall and, more recently, A400M displays over the years. IMHO there's quite a difference between a choreographed, practised display subject to training and supervision, and Bud Holland's rip-sh1t attitude and flagrant disregard for rules, aircraft limits, CRM and authority. Much like a Chinook, a lightly loaded transport aircraft has a pretty handy thrust margin when flown at display weights. The key is the proper selection, training and monitoring of dedicated display crews. The main reason for a lack of ME displays, I'd imagine, is that they're simply too busy most of the time to spare airframes / crews for the "circuit".
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There’s one less C-17 around as well to prove the necessity for constant supervision and oversight.
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Whilst there were clearly supervisory issues, the C17 and B52 'display' loses were primarily caused by some fairly basic pilot mishandling!
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C17 accident: :(
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Hmmmm, I AM getting old! Way outside the manufacturers AoB limits on many occasions...yeah yeah yeah, I'm a stick in the mud, but as I recall there was a review of the speeds flown in turns in the RAF Herc TAC Demo and it revealed they were perilously low....regrettably the methodology/results didn't filter to other RAF Fleets and (memory may be fading) the review never reached Kinloss, a fact mentioned in the BOI into the 1995 Nimrod crash in Toronto. This Swede was treading a fine line between stall and over stress...
Lost too many friends to enjoy this sort of display I'm afraid :( Grumpy old man rant over.... |
There IS a difference between shutting down two in controlled flight and winding on 90deg of bank in a large aircraft close to the ground and not understanding drag rise etc.
A buddy, and all the crew, was killed by some tvat doing that. |
Those Swedes need to harden up.
The RAAF spins C130s. ;) |
Dutch F27 display
I have nothing but respect for the Dutch crew who displayed the F27 in such a sprightly way, fifteen years after seeing the Aircraft thrown around the sky I found my self in command of an F27.............. it was without doubt the worst turbine aircraft I have flown !
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Lockheed's bank limits way exceeded. Glad I wasn't IN it and glad I didn't have to fly it afterwards.
Lunacy - 60° bank clean, 45° bank with flap. What's the point in busting them - I presume the manufacturers set limits for a bloody good reason . |
Don't forget the RAAF HS748 doing a couple of rolls and big wing-overs at RAAF Base Sale in the distant past...
I was a witness being the tower controller! |
It's been on here before...
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Originally Posted by H Peacock
(Post 9940106)
Great to see a large aeroplane being manoeuvred beyond 30deg AoB. Such a shame that we don't see more multis being role demo'd or even displayed.
The Italian RSV C-27J Spartan display is a tad sporty....complete with barrel rolls, loops and knife edge passes... I was gobsmacked and impressed in equal measure. |
Like this Treble.
Don't forget the RAAF HS748 doing a couple of rolls and big wing-overs at RAAF Base Sale in the distant past... The RAAF spins C130s Lockheed's bank limits way exceeded |
Limits are for everybody, otherwise you find out how mortal you are. That especially applies when you have others along for the ride.
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ORAC, angle of bank limits, no aerobatic manouvers and the like is what I meant to imply. Airspeed, G limits, engine limits and the like, there is no getting around, they apply to all.
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