Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 9834711)
Illegal Immigrants in EU 547,000 (2014)
Illegal Immigrants in USA 11.4 million (2012) |
And there's the problem right there. With open borders there are no "illegal immigrants" in the EU. It is analogous with the US, where once you are within the country you are free to move across the open State borders at will. |
Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 9834711)
"The EU can't even defend itself against the threat of rampant immigrants,"
true but doing better than some others Ken.............. Illegal Immigrants in EU 547,000 (2014) Illegal Immigrants in USA 11.4 million (2012) |
Actually melmoth , Ken may be closer to the mark. What about the million or more migrants who suddenly became legal after Ms Merkel's speech. She didn't consult any other EU members yet there is no practical impediment to them moving anywhere in EU.
547,000 illegal immigrants...really? It's a suspiciously precise figure. One report gave a higher figure just for UK |
Being granted asylum in one EU country (as is the case you are referring to in Germany) does not afford a refugee the right to travel to any other EU country. That, I'm afraid, is just more UKIP anti-EU BS.
There is an avenue by which a refugee can obtain German citizenship and then move around the EU at will, but it is by no means a simple process. From the BBC: "A refugee granted asylum who has lived in Germany for six to eight years can apply for German citizenship if they fulfil a number of conditions. You need citizenship to be able to apply for a German passport, which would allow you the freedom to live, work and move anywhere in the European Union. Becoming a German citizen means a person has to give up their citizenship of another country, unless they have special permission to keep it." The practical impediment to them moving to the UK, I suppose, is the Channel. Nothing really to do with an EU Army, but important to maintain the facts in this post-fact world... |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 9835759)
Being granted asylum in one EU country (as is the case you are referring to in Germany) does not afford a refugee the right to travel to any other EU country.
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"These numbers are from where? By their nature it's hard to count illegal immigrants as they don't like to admit to existing."
US & EU Govt statistical agencies - as you say hard to be precise but they aren't going to be way out like 5 times bigger or smaller for example |
True MFC_Fly, but then you have to ask:
A. Why would they? B. Why haven't they? As for them coming to the UK, see my comment re the Channel. |
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