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A_Van 30th Mar 2017 10:40

I wonder what was the last wholly-British (built) fighter aircraft, was it English Electric Lightning some 50+ years ago?
Jaguar was Anglo-French,Tornado was/is Anglo-German-Italian, and Typhoon was/is Anglo-Italo-Franco-Germano-Spanish.
Then good luck with Mitsubishi, which cannot even build a regional jet (promised to roll it out in 2015, but now 2020 seems more realistic).

Just This Once... 30th Mar 2017 10:53

Wow, a whole 5 years of delay. I guess they just cannot compete with the Russian commercial aircraft sector....

Heathrow Harry 30th Mar 2017 11:36

or Lockheed Martin or Mr B's famous cheap (-er) air tanker..................

Heathrow Harry 30th Mar 2017 11:37

British built? Harrier, Jaguar...................

Everything inside it British? Meteor probably

XR219 30th Mar 2017 11:40


Originally Posted by A_Van (Post 9723965)
I wonder what was the last wholly-British (built) fighter aircraft, was it English Electric Lightning some 50+ years ago?
Jaguar was Anglo-French,Tornado was/is Anglo-German-Italian, and Typhoon was/is Anglo-Italo-Franco-Germano-Spanish.
Then good luck with Mitsubishi, which cannot even build a regional jet (promised to roll it out in 2015, but now 2020 seems more realistic).

Sea Harrier FA.2. Last one built 1998, retired 2006.

XR219 30th Mar 2017 11:43


Originally Posted by Alber Ratman (Post 9722720)
It just makes it more difficult if no trade deal can be arranged. However, Jaguar was conceived and in service before Britain joined the EEC and well before customs union. Same with Tornado.

Not to mention Concorde...

Madbob 30th Mar 2017 12:48

Or the banana jet..... not a "fighter" but a very well respected " bomber"


MB

Fonsini 30th Mar 2017 16:36


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 9723852)

I rather like the idea of Banzai for the strike version and for the recce varient, Japseye.


You owe me a new keyboard, it's drenched in diet coke.

Kitbag 30th Mar 2017 18:06

XR219, I have to pull you up on Tornado being conceived and in service before 1972, first flight of P01 was August 1974, so conceived and probably metal being cut, but not in service.
Id have to go with Shar, although I thought some were conversions of FRS1s.

Obi Wan Russell 30th Mar 2017 18:54

The last batch of 18 SHAR FA2s were completely new build, and as stated before came off the production line in 1998.

XR219 30th Mar 2017 19:12


Originally Posted by Kitbag (Post 9724393)
XR219, I have to pull you up on Tornado being conceived and in service before 1972, first flight of P01 was August 1974, so conceived and probably metal being cut, but not in service.
Id have to go with Shar, although I thought some were conversions of FRS1s.

It wasn't actually me who mentioned Tornado, I was just quoting, but of course you're right.

Most FA.2s were FRS.1 conversions, but there was also a batch of 18 new-builds ordered in 1994.

Kitbag 30th Mar 2017 20:12

Apologies XR219, now, where's Alber?

Davef68 30th Mar 2017 20:41


Originally Posted by XR219 (Post 9724033)
Sea Harrier FA.2. Last one built 1998, retired 2006.


Hawk 200, last one built 2000, type still in service with three Air Forces

IS032 ZJ570 BAe Hawk 209 f/f 03/11/2000, to TNI-AU as TT-0232

Ogre 31st Mar 2017 03:21

To go back to trhe original questions, didn't Mitsubishi build the F-1 and T2 which had striking resemblances to Jaguar variants? If they were going to copy a western design they could have picked something that had decent engines......

Whenurhappy 31st Mar 2017 06:27


Originally Posted by EAP86 (Post 9722765)
History isn't helpful. Tornado sales efforts to Japan failed, Typhoon sales also look like a busted flush. The only success I can think of was the sale of a handful of HS125s for a maritime patrol role many years ago. Still, here's hoping...

Ultimately I expect the politics will come to the fore. Would anyone place a serious money bet against the USA coming out ahead?

The brexit complication for any future European collaborative efforts will be in the area of goods crossing borders (followed closely by people crossing the same).

EAP

We missed a trick many years ago. Countries are interested in buying 'stuff'. They want IPR transfer, collaboration, co-industrialisation - in other words, for local industry 'what's in it for them?'.

EAP86 31st Mar 2017 10:27

"They want IPR transfer, collaboration, co-industrialisation..."

You might be surprised at how much transfer was involved in the Typhoon offers for Japan and India...

EAP

Heathrow Harry 1st Apr 2017 07:45

yeah and we get their electronics and long term thinking and planning - fair swap IMHO

ORAC 24th Nov 2017 06:05

Japan and UK to collaborate on missile development

TOKYO -- Japan will team with the U.K. to develop an air-to-air missile, Tokyo's first defense equipment project with a partner other than the U.S. and a potential turning point for the country's arms export policy.

The planned weapon will incorporate a powerful radar system developed by Mitsubishi Electric into European manufacturer MBDA's Meteor missile, combining long range and high accuracy. A prototype will be built at an MBDA plant starting in fiscal 2018. Live-fire testing in the U.K. is slated to begin as early as fiscal 2023, at which point Japan and the U.K. will decide whether to put the weapon into mass production.

Deployment is expected in the late 2020s. The missile likely will become equipment on the F-35 stealth fighter to be used by Japan's Air Self-Defense Force, and it could be used to defend far-flung Japanese territories such as the Senkaku Islands, which China claims as the Diaoyu. Exports to countries such as Germany and France will be considered as well.

Japan and the U.K. look to announce the collaboration, which upgrades an existing research arrangement, in a joint statement after a meeting of their top diplomatic and defense officials Dec. 14 in London.......

A collaboration using Japan's advanced defense technology could strengthen the country's relationship with the U.K., which Tokyo considers a "quasi-ally," while boosting its own capabilities. But it remains hard to say how much technology London will offer in exchange for Tokyo's. A former Air Self-Defense Force general said that "if the U.K. hands engine technology over to Japan, we can use it to develop anti-ship missiles and other weapons as well."......

jolihokistix 24th Nov 2017 06:20

This has the potential to be a 'good' thing for both parties, especially in the uncertain environment in which Japan finds herself today, as long as Japan understands that there has to be a solid trade-off for the UK too.


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