I wonder what was the last wholly-British (built) fighter aircraft, was it English Electric Lightning some 50+ years ago?
Jaguar was Anglo-French,Tornado was/is Anglo-German-Italian, and Typhoon was/is Anglo-Italo-Franco-Germano-Spanish. Then good luck with Mitsubishi, which cannot even build a regional jet (promised to roll it out in 2015, but now 2020 seems more realistic). |
Wow, a whole 5 years of delay. I guess they just cannot compete with the Russian commercial aircraft sector....
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or Lockheed Martin or Mr B's famous cheap (-er) air tanker..................
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British built? Harrier, Jaguar...................
Everything inside it British? Meteor probably |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 9723965)
I wonder what was the last wholly-British (built) fighter aircraft, was it English Electric Lightning some 50+ years ago?
Jaguar was Anglo-French,Tornado was/is Anglo-German-Italian, and Typhoon was/is Anglo-Italo-Franco-Germano-Spanish. Then good luck with Mitsubishi, which cannot even build a regional jet (promised to roll it out in 2015, but now 2020 seems more realistic). |
Originally Posted by Alber Ratman
(Post 9722720)
It just makes it more difficult if no trade deal can be arranged. However, Jaguar was conceived and in service before Britain joined the EEC and well before customs union. Same with Tornado.
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Or the banana jet..... not a "fighter" but a very well respected " bomber"
MB |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 9723852)
I rather like the idea of Banzai for the strike version and for the recce varient, Japseye. |
XR219, I have to pull you up on Tornado being conceived and in service before 1972, first flight of P01 was August 1974, so conceived and probably metal being cut, but not in service.
Id have to go with Shar, although I thought some were conversions of FRS1s. |
The last batch of 18 SHAR FA2s were completely new build, and as stated before came off the production line in 1998.
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Originally Posted by Kitbag
(Post 9724393)
XR219, I have to pull you up on Tornado being conceived and in service before 1972, first flight of P01 was August 1974, so conceived and probably metal being cut, but not in service.
Id have to go with Shar, although I thought some were conversions of FRS1s. Most FA.2s were FRS.1 conversions, but there was also a batch of 18 new-builds ordered in 1994. |
Apologies XR219, now, where's Alber?
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Originally Posted by XR219
(Post 9724033)
Sea Harrier FA.2. Last one built 1998, retired 2006.
Hawk 200, last one built 2000, type still in service with three Air Forces IS032 ZJ570 BAe Hawk 209 f/f 03/11/2000, to TNI-AU as TT-0232 |
To go back to trhe original questions, didn't Mitsubishi build the F-1 and T2 which had striking resemblances to Jaguar variants? If they were going to copy a western design they could have picked something that had decent engines......
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Originally Posted by EAP86
(Post 9722765)
History isn't helpful. Tornado sales efforts to Japan failed, Typhoon sales also look like a busted flush. The only success I can think of was the sale of a handful of HS125s for a maritime patrol role many years ago. Still, here's hoping...
Ultimately I expect the politics will come to the fore. Would anyone place a serious money bet against the USA coming out ahead? The brexit complication for any future European collaborative efforts will be in the area of goods crossing borders (followed closely by people crossing the same). EAP |
"They want IPR transfer, collaboration, co-industrialisation..."
You might be surprised at how much transfer was involved in the Typhoon offers for Japan and India... EAP |
yeah and we get their electronics and long term thinking and planning - fair swap IMHO
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Japan and UK to collaborate on missile development
TOKYO -- Japan will team with the U.K. to develop an air-to-air missile, Tokyo's first defense equipment project with a partner other than the U.S. and a potential turning point for the country's arms export policy. The planned weapon will incorporate a powerful radar system developed by Mitsubishi Electric into European manufacturer MBDA's Meteor missile, combining long range and high accuracy. A prototype will be built at an MBDA plant starting in fiscal 2018. Live-fire testing in the U.K. is slated to begin as early as fiscal 2023, at which point Japan and the U.K. will decide whether to put the weapon into mass production. Deployment is expected in the late 2020s. The missile likely will become equipment on the F-35 stealth fighter to be used by Japan's Air Self-Defense Force, and it could be used to defend far-flung Japanese territories such as the Senkaku Islands, which China claims as the Diaoyu. Exports to countries such as Germany and France will be considered as well. Japan and the U.K. look to announce the collaboration, which upgrades an existing research arrangement, in a joint statement after a meeting of their top diplomatic and defense officials Dec. 14 in London....... A collaboration using Japan's advanced defense technology could strengthen the country's relationship with the U.K., which Tokyo considers a "quasi-ally," while boosting its own capabilities. But it remains hard to say how much technology London will offer in exchange for Tokyo's. A former Air Self-Defense Force general said that "if the U.K. hands engine technology over to Japan, we can use it to develop anti-ship missiles and other weapons as well."...... |
This has the potential to be a 'good' thing for both parties, especially in the uncertain environment in which Japan finds herself today, as long as Japan understands that there has to be a solid trade-off for the UK too.
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