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NutLoose 8th May 2018 12:16

http://skyvalleychronicle.com/999/ne...1953838860.jpg

So he used to wear his hair in a quiff, tucked up into and through his hat back then?

Finningley Boy 8th May 2018 16:58


Originally Posted by glad rag (Post 9694801)
Two minds over this.

One, how on earth did he get away with it in the first place?
Secondly, he looks like a t**t in that picture. Everyone knows how you should wear a chip poke.

















Well at least he never modelled a suicide vest....

RE-Chip Poke, crammed on to one side like in the old war movies...right!
FB

Basil 8th May 2018 19:39

glad rag,

chip poke
Location: London, New York, Paris, Moscow - Goanny add Glasgow tae that? ;)


he looks like a t**t
Well, he already has three of the letters in his initials. :E

megan 3rd Oct 2021 06:33

Posting because it has personal interest.

WO1 Clive "Clive-o" H. Collins was a VHPA member who died after his tour in Vietnam on 04/27/2021 at the age of 84.7Stuart, FL
Flight Classes 70-25 and 70-21
Date of Birth 08/22/1936
Served in the U.S. Army
Served in Vietnam with B/3/17 CAV in 70, 135 AHC in 70-71
Call signs in Vietnam STOGIE, EMU 22, TAIPAN 33
This information was provided by Sammie Williams - obit

More detail on this person: Clive Herbert Collins, 84, of Stuart, FL passed on Tuesday, April 27, 2021. Born in Southgate London, England, son of Herbert and Myrtle Collins. Clive was raised in England, completed primary school, graduated from Mincheden High School, and attended London University in the UK. He joined the British Army from 1955 to 1957, where he served his country honorably earning the British General Service Medal and Suez Medal. Clive then traveled the world from the Canary Islands to the Caribbean, Thailand, and Australia working various aviation-related jobs. He arrived in the United States in 1967 as an Operations Officer for Braniff International Airlines in Miami and worked there until he began his military career with the United States Army. Clive, a true patriot, volunteered for the United States Army in 1969 and served for 11 years, including a tour in Vietnam as a Helicopter Pilot flying the Hughes TH-55, Bell TH-13, OH-58, and, mostly, his beloved Bell UH-1 gunships as Aircraft Commander. He also flew the CH-47 in Europe after Vietnam. He earned the rank of Chief Warrant Officer and was the recipient of numerous awards including a bronze star, purple heart, Distinguished Flying Cross among others before his retirement in 1980. Clive then followed his love of the ocean becoming a 1st Mate on a commercial fishing boat and private yacht before purchasing his own 30' commercial fishing boat. Clive's love of flying and his experience in both the British and United States Military led him to a successful civilian career as a helicopter pilot for Air Logistics, Louisiana until 1991 when his cancer diagnosis and laryngectomy forced his retirement. In retirement, Clive focused on his passion for gun and military antique collecting and history. He also enjoyed collecting, tinkering, and driving his many cars and motorcycles. A lifetime patriot and military man. He was a life member of VFW, Post 10132 Hobe Sound, FL, and a life member of The Military Order of the Purple Heart. He is survived by: his children: Justin A. Collins and his wife, Ellison, of Naples, FL; Nicole Perlman and her husband, Glen, of Walpole, MA; his brother Barry Collins; his grandchildren, Ellie, Jack, and Travis as well as his future granddaughter, daughter of Justin and Ellison; Dear friend Stephanie Yerkes of Stuart. A service will be held graveside at All Saints Cemetery, Jensen Beach, FL on Saturday, May 1, 2021, at 9:30 am. All County Funeral Home, Stuart, Florida Published in TC Palm from Apr. 29 to Apr. 30, 2021

Burial information: All Saints Cemetery, Jensen Beach, FL
Problem is, the period he claims to have served in Vietnam I was there, and 2i/c of the platoon he claims to have been in, also the call signs he claims to have used he couldn't have, as they belonged to other individuals.

You might note that he also claims being in the British Army 1955 to 1957, and has the British General Service Medal and Suez Medal. Any way of checking his British Army bona fides?

Asturias56 3rd Oct 2021 07:37

Best left in peace is my opinion - too late to call him out on any fabrication and all it'll do is hurt people who weren't responsible for it.

Not as if he's a major historical personage with a record that needs correcting

I'd hope the history is mainly correct but it's too late now :(

RIP

Archimedes 3rd Oct 2021 23:56


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11120482)
Posting because it has personal interest. Problem is, the period he claims to have served in Vietnam I was there, and 2i/c of the platoon he claims to have been in, also the call signs he claims to have used he couldn't have, as they belonged to other individuals.

You might note that he also claims being in the British Army 1955 to 1957, and has the British General Service Medal and Suez Medal. Any way of checking his British Army bona fides?

Tricky - I'd suspect that'd be his two years of National Service. He may have been involved during Op MUSKETEER, and the GSM with Near East clasp would've been issued as a result.

Using Ancestry there is a Clive H Collins with a USA Aviation background who has the date of birth given. The record is from 1972 and has him as a CW2 in the USAR.

There's a photo of him - here

I wonder whether this is more a result of confusion (either the late Mr Collins's memory failing him towards the end of his days, or on the part of a proud relative attempting to decipher personal papers and getting entirely the wrong end of the stick - the RAF Historical Branch has regular instances where someone's great uncle clearly wasn't adopting a Mitty-esque approach but that his family pieced together information from stories and personal papers and ended up with a very different career for their late relative, and one which said relative had never, in fact, claimed for himself...)

megan 4th Oct 2021 05:13


Using Ancestry there is a Clive H Collins with a USA Aviation background who has the date of birth given. The record is from 1972 and has him as a CW2 in the USAR
Does Ancestry give any details of his Vietnam service Archimedes?

Asturias56 4th Oct 2021 07:58

"I wonder whether this is more a result of confusion (either the late Mr Collins's memory failing him towards the end of his days, or on the part of a proud relative attempting to decipher personal papers and getting entirely the wrong end of the stick -"

I've dabbled in Family History and seen the same effect - people's memories change and when they are related 2nd or 3rd hand they become quite unreliable - often a useful guide as to where to go and look but the actual dates and facts are often skewed badly

Hydromet 4th Oct 2021 08:37


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11120944)
I've dabbled in Family History and seen the same effect - people's memories change and when they are related 2nd or 3rd hand they become quite unreliable - often a useful guide as to where to go and look but the actual dates and facts are often skewed badly

Not even that many generations apart. My Grandfather was in the army at around the turn of the 18-19th century, but denied having gone to the Boer war. However, one of his friends told my father and uncle that he definitely had. There's no one by his name on the nominal roll, but it's possible he changed his name for some reason - it seems there was some sort of family estrangement. Another family member claims that he went to Sydney University, but they have no record of him. Where does the truth lie? Who knows, and it's unlikely we ever will.

treadigraph 4th Oct 2021 08:41

My paternal granddad was a Spitfire pilot in WWII. So my brother told me. A bit of simple investigation shows he was actually in the RFC/RAF in WWI so MAY have been a pilot. I don't know. But the Spitfire bit was cobblers, appropriate as he later owned a shoe shop in Birmingham.

SimonK 4th Oct 2021 09:17


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11120968)
My paternal granddad was a Spitfire pilot in WWII. So my brother told me. A bit of simple investigation shows he was actually in the RFC/RAF in WWI so MAY have been a pilot. I don't know. But the Spitfire bit was cobblers, appropriate as he later owned a shoe shop in Birmingham.

Maybe he flew one for a 'jolly'? I have a logbook to a Cornell instructor who spent the whole war in Canada teaching pilots to fly exclusively them, although he once flew a Hurricane for a 30 minute air experience flight and I guess he would always be known as "a former Hurricane pilot". Maybe that is how your grandad became known as a Spitfire pilot? Although on the flipside, several former WW1 German pilots also flew frontline missions (and scored kills) in the Luftwaffe in WW2, so you never know!

I worked with a lovely bloke a few years back who was insistent that his grandad was a Spitfire pilot in WW2, joining up at 16 and becoming a Squadron Leader at 17. I don't doubt he believed it was true (he was a very honest chap) as it was established family legend, but enough about his story flagged alarm bells to me and I could find no records of his grandad when I tried to help him research this character. Happy to leave him with the story though, could be true I guess but very unlikely and no need to burst his bubble....

Haraka 4th Oct 2021 09:33

I was asked to check on an "Ex Meteor pilot" who used to sound off down our local pub. I got him into conversation then , when he was in full flow, off handedly asked him what marks he flew .

He couldn't remember.

Archimedes 4th Oct 2021 09:53


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11120894)
Does Ancestry give any details of his Vietnam service Archimedes?

Not that I could find. There is a site which covers 135 AHC and the yearbooks don’t seem to have him amongst the personnel, of whom there are mugshots at the end. Of course, he may have been omitted for some reason other than the obvious one of not being part of the unit in the first place. The yearbooks, I think, show the actual holder of at least one of the EMU or TAIPAN callsigns attributed to the chap in the obit.

212man 4th Oct 2021 11:25


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11120894)
Does Ancestry give any details of his Vietnam service Archimedes?

Megan - based on your knowledge, is it feasible for a 33 year old to have been recruited into the Pilot training programme? The current age limit is 32, for the US Army. Also, how would he have been enlisted as a Warrant Officer as a non-national? Current rules forbid it (only into enlsited ranks) unless he had somehow gained US citizenship before then?

No mention here of a DFC: https://valor.defense.gov/Portals/24...4xca3DgA%3d%3d

treadigraph 4th Oct 2021 11:51


Originally Posted by SimonK (Post 11120977)
Maybe he flew one for a 'jolly'?.

No, he may have been in the Home Guard or something in WW2 but he returned to civvy life after the end of the First World War. My brother knew little about aircraft and "flew fighters" might have been translated into "Spitfire". My dad and his sister both had the aircraft bug.

megan 4th Oct 2021 12:45


based on your knowledge, is it feasible for a 33 year old to have been recruited into the Pilot training programme
The Americans I've talked to find it questionable, doubtful, and not believable, in 1967 the age limit was 30, don't know what it may have been in 1970. In any event, 1970 doesn't matter, because he most certainly didn't serve in the unit post January 1970.

The unit only served in Vietnam for four and a bit years, having been formed in Vietnam on the 29th September 1967, and have been a fairly close knit bunch up until very recent years. Thus far I've been unable to find any one who has heard of him in three of those years, but still have one response to come.


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