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Fred Tesson 4th Jan 2017 18:39

Petition by Carol Voderman
 
Hi there,

Link below to a petition that some of you folks might like to sign.

Fred Tesson

https://www.change.org/p/give-britain-s-last-surviving-dambuster-hero-a-knighthood/sign?utm_source=action_alert_sign&utm_medium=email&utm_campa ign=695309&alert_id=npxxwEhKyJ_fZFqSEQL0ddXgHJNc3tH%2FtQb1Is e28BqulHAoqvR8G4%3D

just another jocky 4th Jan 2017 18:47

Link to save copy & paste.

MPN11 4th Jan 2017 18:58

Given the casual distribution to sports-people and luvvies, why not?

Except that it further debases the Orders of Chivalry, which has already plumbed the depths of banality and favouritism.

A Knighthood for being the last Dambuster? Oh, come on! How about a Knighthood for Danny42C for being [probably] the last surviving Vengeance dive-bomber pilot? Or the belated Legion d'Honneur for everyone still alive who was at D-Day?

PS: The link is as awful as the concept. Try this >>> https://www.change.org/p/give-britai...o-a-knighthood

glad rag 4th Jan 2017 19:52

Well if there was "natural justice" there’d be one going spare from that quisling civil servant...

jindabyne 4th Jan 2017 19:55

I'm a tad uncomfortable about this.

On the strength of his war deeds - no. And I'm sure his beloved deceased mates would agree; medals are sufficient and appropriate.

If his charitable work has been of such significance to warrant public acclaim, then so be it.

All of that said, I'm more concerned about the lady's attraction to publicity. Not only the sporting of uniform, but her more recent exploits in Oz (handsomely rewarded). Sad sort of woman. IMO

Danny42C 4th Jan 2017 20:56

MPN11 (#3),

God forbid !

Danny.

Tankertrashnav 4th Jan 2017 21:41

Oh I don't know Danny, Sir Danny has a nice ring to it!

The tricky bit might be getting up again after kneeling for HM to dub you knight ;)

(No offence, I'm starting to get that problem myself, and you have a few years on me!)

Seriously though, I'm with MPN here. We need fewer medals, not more.

ExAscoteer 4th Jan 2017 21:55

I'd rather your man got a Knighthood than Victoria bloody talentless pouting nerk Beckham got a sodding OBE!

Melchett01 4th Jan 2017 21:58

Well if Olympians get them for doing their job - and already get a medal for that! - then why not? As has been noted, the system is already somewhat discredited, which is a shame because as a concept I like the general idea.

Still, at least we'd know what this was for. If all citations were published after the fact so we could clearly see what people were picking their gongs up for, it would get rid of an awful lot of these spurious awards very quickly as the Honours Committee simply wouldn't survive being held accountable in the court of public opinion.

BEagle 4th Jan 2017 22:04

Thanks, Fred!

Far more deserving than people who ride bikes or play tennis!

newt 5th Jan 2017 06:44

I agree Beags. Sixty feet at night with no radalt! A very well deserved accolade!

Downwind.Maddl-Land 5th Jan 2017 07:41

Actually Newt, in Johnie's case it was 30 ft without the fabled light altimeter......:uhoh:

Tankertrashnav 5th Jan 2017 09:24

He already has a DFM - a much rarer and more prestigious award than any knighthood! In my eyes anyway.

Pontius Navigator 5th Jan 2017 09:48

Melchett, I think we see so many spurious awards - the ones that go to military brass and civil serpents merely for being promoted to a particular job or post. Does CDS still get a baronetcy now that the post has been down ranked to 4*?

Should MPs get a K simply for winning half a dozen elections or so?

Lower down the tree you actually need someone to write a recommendation and for it to be passed up the tree.

Shack37 5th Jan 2017 11:04


All of that said, I'm more concerned about the lady's attraction to publicity. Not only the sporting of uniform, but her more recent exploits in Oz (handsomely rewarded). Sad sort of woman. IMO

That same publicity could be of great help to the Cadets she represents.
So she gets paid for appearing on a TV show, there are many who get much more for a lot less.
Sad, I donīt think so.


Petition signed, I hope it gets enough support to go all the way.:ok:

Onceapilot 5th Jan 2017 11:44

Maybe she could also shine a light on the Cadet gliding situation?:ooh:

OAP

dervish 5th Jan 2017 12:03

I'd like to petition Carol.....

turbroprop 5th Jan 2017 12:10

Looking at it from a different angle. With the system being devalued, could it be that none of the present awards are worthy enough for such a great man. Respect not just for his duties during in the war, but also for his lifelong commitments after the war.

sharpend 5th Jan 2017 13:12

I agree totally with jindabyne. The very gallant gentleman was decorated for bravery with a DFM. Unless he has done something very significant post war to warrant a Knighthood, then he should not get one. My uncle, a Lancaster pilot, was killed in action over the Ruhr, and equally was a brave man, but like many never received any medals. Moreover, I agree the comments re 'that lady'. In my opinion, she has brought the RAF and her uniform into disrepute by her antics in 'The Jungle'. Can you imagine what would happen if a regular RAF officer behaved like that on TV?

Pontius Navigator 5th Jan 2017 14:08

Sharpend, not sure but I think a few have :)


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