I spotted the Mk1 Railway Carriage also the burning Spitfire had no engine just a Prop on what looked like a length of straight scaffold pole.
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Dreadful. I would have walked out except for the fact that my son took me.
A significant sequence involves the civilian boat captain rescuing the pilot of a ditched Spitfire from drowning. Why was he drowning? Because he ditched with the canopy closed! :ugh: However, the shots of the Spitfires and the Blenheim were nice. :ok: All-in-all, it made me decide to watch the original movie again. I was living in Ramsgate when they made that film and they used the harbour entrance for some shots, complete with sand bags, barbed wire and AA guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(1958_film) Starring John Mills, Richard Attenborough and Bernard Lee The film was the second most popular production at the British box office in 1958. According to MGM records it earned only $310,000 in the U.S.A. and Canada, but $1,750,000 elsewhere, resulting in a profit of $371,000. |
Originally Posted by surely not
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Never mind the aviation irregularities, the railway coaches they traveled in on return to UK were BR Mk1 stock with an upholstery pattern on the seats that is late 1960's!! They should have contacted the Bluebell Railway who have coaches that fit the timescale in all aspects.
Ok that is nit picking, and I felt that overall the film is a very well made film that is loosely based on a true story. A very good film with a cracking soundtrack....the "ticking clock" was a brilliant background noise/touch |
Originally Posted by India Four Two
(Post 9844578)
Dreadful. I would have walked out except for the fact that my son took me.
A significant sequence involves the civilian boat captain rescuing the pilot of a ditched Spitfire from drowning. Why was he drowning? Because he ditched with the canopy closed! :ugh: However, the shots of the Spitfires and the Blenheim were nice. :ok: All-in-all, it made me decide to watch the original movie again. I was living in Ramsgate when they made that film and they used the harbour entrance for some shots, complete with sand bags, barbed wire and AA guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(1958_film) Starring John Mills, Richard Attenborough and Bernard Lee |
Have anybody seen this film already?
As for me, it is hard to imagine a better tribute to this victory of survival than Nolan's spare, stunning, extraordinarily ambitious film. And what do you think? |
All-in-all, it made me decide to watch the original movie again. I was living in Ramsgate when they made that film and they used the harbour entrance for some shots, complete with sand bags, barbed wire and AA guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(1958_film) Starring John Mills, Richard Attenborough and Bernard Lee |
Whatever faults this film may have, it will ensure that many thousands (perhaps millions) more people will know something of what happened at Dunkirk that year. We old folks may imagine that everyone knows our history, but that really is not the case. And the youngsters will not spot the many minor errors.
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1. Documentary - A movie or a television or radio program that provides a factual record or report.
2. Cinema - The art of simulating experiences to communicate ideas, stories, perceptions, feelings, beauty or atmosphere by the means of recorded or programmed moving images along with other sensory stimulation. 3. Train Upholstery - See Asperger's Syndrome. |
Originally Posted by Two's in
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1. Documentary - A movie or a television or radio program that provides a factual record or report.
2. Cinema - The art of simulating experiences to communicate ideas, stories, perceptions, feelings, beauty or atmosphere by the means of recorded or programmed moving images along with other sensory stimulation. 3. Train Upholstery - See Asperger's Syndrome. |
GR thank you, and don't they look clean and shaved :)
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Just watched the old film again on TV - terrific. In the commercial break they had a trailer for the new one. Well as I haven't seen the new one I cant comment on it overall, but certainly the beaches looked incredibly bare in the new one compared with the original. Where did that £150m go? Certainly not on hiring extras, or on spending half an hour sourcing period railway carriages (oops, my Aspergers is showing again!)
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My old man was on of the extras used on the original. Easy when there was so many National Servicemen going through training.
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I'm young enough that 60s railway carriages were significantly out of use before I became a regular train rider, and it jarred with me too. It looked wrong and I suspect it would be seen as looking wrong by many people without direct experience of 1940s or 1960s trains.
It looked to have the same issue as Top Gun in that some of those engagements were very close for a very long time without significant exchange of fire. Also, the maneuvers executed by the aircraft involved seemed very gentle and undemanding, compared to real world gun camera footage of the time. That may be an instance of reality being unrealistic, but as a lay observer I'd echo the comments about this given above. Wouldn't those aircraft have been more or less wings-vertical, pulling like hell? Is this a limit on what you can reasonably do with eighty-year-old aircraft? P |
Originally Posted by Phil_R
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I'm young enough that 60s railway carriages were significantly out of use before I became a regular train rider, and it jarred with me too. It looked wrong and I suspect it would be seen as looking wrong by many people without direct experience of 1940s or 1960s trains.
It looked to have the same issue as Top Gun in that some of those engagements were very close for a very long time without significant exchange of fire. Also, the maneuvers executed by the aircraft involved seemed very gentle and undemanding, compared to real world gun camera footage of the time... From talking to a couple of the WW2 old timers they reckon we is lucky to not have smello-vision in the cinema because apparently that's what a lot of the combatants remember all to well.. . |
FB, smellies indeed. At several air shows they would ask to look in the Lanc, they would close their eyes and take a huge sniff before saying the smell of leather, hydraulic fluid, and other visitor odours had not changed.
I guess smell must be one of the most significant in the brain store. The other thing missing in cinema is touch. In this case rough, wet and heavy serge with ingrained sand. |
Phil_R - benign fights are the price you pay for using real life a/c. Personally I'd rather that and little CGI rather than have the whole thing CGI'd to death. Just my preference though. However, your observation is correct, it was benign by comparison to the real thing.
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Phil_R (#113)
...Is this a limit on what you can reasonably do with eighty-year-old aircraft?.. Every free square inch of the panel had a little red metal label on it: don't do this, don't do that, don't exceed 220 IAS and Lord knows what else. And the 'old' lady was only 30-odd years old then ! Even the ones I briefly flew at Castle Combe in 1942 were clapped-out and we were told to treat them gently. Danny42C. |
Originally Posted by pba_target
(Post 9846543)
Phil_R - benign fights are the price you pay for using real life a/c. Personally I'd rather that and little CGI rather than have the whole thing CGI'd to death. Just my preference though. However, your observation is correct, it was benign by comparison to the real thing.
I think part of the reason for the apparently benign dogfights was the presence of bloody great IMAX camera on the wings of one or more of the aircraft? Possibly anyway? |
I was disappointed in the first 2 seconds to see the words "the enemy have pursued the British and French to Dunkirk". I felt the same when I went to see AVM Keith Park's statue when it was on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square a few year ago. His inscription went: "The defender of London, as enemy planes bombed in 1940...etc". I remember at the time thinking how confused young people would look and wonder who the enemy were...IRA? ISIS? Love Island?
That said, harrumphing dribble over, it was very moving and my kids were impressed. The gliding Spitfire at high key for a PFL moved at about Mach 2, but never mind. Did Tom Hardy have sun deflectors / blinkers on his flying helmet? |
Watched the film again last night.
The camera shots in the dogfighting sequences (pointing from the 'Spitfire' towards either the 'He111' or the 'Me109') showed the 'Spitfire' in question wasn't a spitfire (it was a Yak I believe). Nolan wanted to actually show the Spitfire pilots 'in the air' during the aerial and so converted the rear cockpit of a Yak (to make it look like a Spitfire) to make it look so. Its a shame he couldn't have used one of the many two seat Spitfires around to do this. Indeed the Aircraft Restoration Co (who provided and maintained the flying aircraft) have their own 2 seater. I guess the practicalities made it difficult-either that or they were making too much dosh flying well heeled members of the public. |
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