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MPN11 8th Jan 2017 12:48

Russian Kamikaze attacks on Walmington-on-Sea? ;)

Heathrow Harry 8th Jan 2017 13:34

The Times - "Putin cocks snook at May"

The Torygraph - "Retired rear Admiral blasts MoD"

Daily Express "Reds sail past White Cliffs!"

Daily Mail " Our Brave Lads are watching Reds - from the dockside at Portsmouth"

Evening Standard "Tube Strike..."

MPN11 8th Jan 2017 14:39

haha ... very good, HH

Hangarshuffle 9th Jan 2017 15:50

Its still a peculiar British thing to laugh at other nations militaries but I think we should be careful what we laugh at. Certainly nobody is going to be laughing at our carriers flying upsets any time soon.Is it now 12 years since 899 NAS was broken up, the last of the FAAs proper Harrier squadrons so to speak?
If the QE ever is manned properly and works properly, and if we ever get the aircraft....we will see where we all are.
Its going to take years to get our carrier worked up and going properly with a credible TAG. If we can find and retain the engineers and technicians (which I currently doubt we can looking at the Ts and Cs of being in the RN.
Also, limited ship that the Russian ship possibly is, it looks to me that it actually helped win Russia's new little war.Sorry.

Green Flash 9th Jan 2017 16:41

A question, if i may please?
What say the Kuz gets abeam Dover and the Admiral decides to launch some MiGs? Given the busy air traffic situation in this part of the world, do they have to NOTAM, flight plan, get permission, etc or can they just lob cabs into the wide grey yonder and give the Typhoons and Rafales the run around?

MPN11 9th Jan 2017 19:27

In International waters, they would be advised to NOTAM. Coming up The Channel, there is so much Controlled and Restricted airspace that even Ivan wouldn't try anything so silly.

serf 10th Jan 2017 02:32

Where to next for the carrier group, home port...or the Baltic?

TEEEJ 25th Jan 2017 11:20

Admiral Kuznetsov now going through the Strait of Dover. Russian Navy Tug Nikolay Chiker position from AIS.

2017-01-25 11:36 (UTC)

51.07716° 1.641812°

https://goo.gl/maps/2n8u5Q1Cbjp

Vessel details for: NIKOLAY CHIKER (Tug) - IMO 8613334, MMSI 273531629, Call Sign RAL 48 Registered in Russia | AIS Marine Traffic

Russian Navy Tanker Sergei Osipov has passed through and is heading into the North Sea.

MarineTraffic: Global Ship Tracking Intelligence | AIS Marine Traffic

NRDK 25th Jan 2017 12:40

RAF to tha rescue from nasty Russians
 
:D
4 RAF Typhoons escort the Russian carrier back through the channel... wow😜

Minus any weapons they must have frightened the Russians, not to mention a lowly frigate...

The best we can do after all the defence cuts to willy wave.😂

Geordie_Expat 25th Jan 2017 13:30


Originally Posted by NRDK (Post 9653212)
:D
4 RAF Typhoons escort the Russian carrier back through the channel... wow😜

Minus any weapons they must have frightened the Russians, not to mention a lowly frigate...

The best we can do after all the defence cuts to willy wave.😂


What would you suggest then ?:confused:

Lyneham Lad 25th Jan 2017 14:01


4 RAF Typhoons escort the Russian carrier back through the channel
Amazing that the Admiral Kuznetsov could keep up with them... :)

I know, I know - hat, coat, door

Heathrow Harry 25th Jan 2017 14:10

Why would we want to frighten them?

We're not at war and they are going about their lawful business on the High Seas

Now, if they start building up the Goodwin Sands into a permanent island.........

TEEEJ 25th Jan 2017 14:43


Originally Posted by NRDK (Post 9653212)
:D

Minus any weapons they must have frightened the Russians, not to mention a lowly frigate...

The best we can do after all the defence cuts to willy wave.😂

Why on earth would the Typhoons be armed? It is just mind boggling that you actually thought that they should have been live armed? It is just a training mission/photo opportunity for the Typhoons. Note that the ASRAAM is inert. Would you have preferred that the QRA was scrambled?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3BIaYsWgAAgzx0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3BIaYsWgAAgzx0.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3BD6liW8AE1gnA.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3BD6liW8AE1gnA.jpg:large

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ

A_Van 25th Jan 2017 15:35

Frighten the Russians with these 4 jets, are you kidding? :-)

It is rather a contribution to the UK defence money cut:

The media found out how much Britain has spent on surveillance of the «Admiral Kuznetsov» | Latest world news

"The operation to support Russian warships cost the UK almost 1.4 million pounds, according to British newspaper the News."

Satellite_Driver 25th Jan 2017 16:06

The Russians should have waited three weeks; they could have claimed they were re-enacting the Channel Dash to mark its 75th anniversary...

NRDK 25th Jan 2017 16:07

Exactly, Heathrow Harry...why piss about at all, wasting taxpayers money. We aren't at war, they are going about their lawful business.

TEEEJ..not even suggesting the crabs should be let loose with weapons!
More the fact we are engaged in a pointless, farcical display.

Herod 25th Jan 2017 16:59

I note this time it's pushing out WHITE smoke. A better grade of oil in the Middle East?

Hangarshuffle 25th Jan 2017 21:32

Yes it looked a little pointless. Did the French or Belgians do similar from their side of the channel? I bet not.
Who thought up this stunt and why?>that would be a good question to the SoS for Defence. I can half understand the warship....not the aircraft as such.
Purely for show and for the camera. It only encourages the Daily Mail, whose blurb was frankly embarrassing.
But with only 16 years since 9/11, perhaps RAF should be routinely armed for an immediate response, and shown to the public to be thus even in these ****ty photos - as someone once said, our aircraft generally perform better with bullets than without. Live threat could appear at any time in these crazy days. Recent use of suicide trucks in Europe proves the capability to improvise ad hoc.
Are they up to it? We have a very limited number of combat aircraft- they may as well fly armed - and be seen as such*.
Incidentally the RAF have nothing to attack a warship with. Stand to be corrected but the Sea Eagle has long gone up the Suwannee.
If God forbid action was required by anybody our side would it be bombs> Brimstone? dedicated anti ship missile? Komorant?
* and I make these comments because the public are probably ill informed, or if more knowledgeable then they are ill at ease with the UK mil. The performance of the military in recent times raises many questions about ability and more.

BossEyed 25th Jan 2017 21:47


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 9653466)
I note this time it's pushing out WHITE smoke. A better grade of oil in the Middle East?

Nah, it's because Putin's just chosen the next Pope.

Wander00 26th Jan 2017 07:25

BossEyed - you just beat me to that thought


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