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When did "Reheat" become "Afterburner" ?
I know that in the earlier days of jet aviation the UK adopted the term reheat for the process of injecting fuel into the jet efflux, while the US went with afterburner, or more commonly just "burner" or even other acronyms such as Zone 5 etc.
I have heard RAF pilots talking about using "afterburner" which made me wonder if this is now the official term and if so when the change was made ? |
The term was changed after confusion caused by crew meals being prepared in the Vulcan's microwave oven. Ok i'll get my hat & coat....;)
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Reheat for the RAF and afterburner for the USAF.....Simples!
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Probably since Hollywood (other US film making companies are available!) starting making movies about jets.
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I would've thought it was more down to personal preference than anything else, afterburner, 'burner, re-heat, zone 5, augmented thrust, carrot power, etc etc... ;)
-RP |
I'm all for Thrust Augmentation :O
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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I'm all for Thrust Augmentation :O
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My favourite is 'hey mum, look at my carrots'...
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Ah, reached a certain age, have we? I believe the VC10 had thrust augmentation BTW with that little outlet just aft of the Baggage door ( I mean the freight one, not the crew one) |
It's ok Nutloose, these days the doctor can give you a little blue pill to solve all that ails you in that regard. Guaranteed to augment your thrust :}
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Probably about the same time as the Railway Station became Train Station. American influences........................
I know hat and coat time! |
Talking of which, the photo I mean, we seem to have become the centre of the French low flying programme this afternoon - great, except for the dog chasing "noisy sticks" down the garden whilst barking furiously.
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Undercarriage and Landing Gear?
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Undercarriage and Landing Gear? |
Well you are part of NATO right?
As the US Forces are the largest component and provide the majority of the Funding....is it not natural for the Majority to rule? Had you hung on to a good thing all those years back....the shoe might still be on the other Foot. (I was just leaving....getting my Cap and Jacket on the way out!) |
IIRC, a certain Lightning formation leader called "Reheat, Reheat, Go.....Now", which caused a stir among his formation members......
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SASless: need I remind you whose language we all speak? (It's called English for a good reason....!)
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Had you hung on to a good thing all those years back....the shoe might still be on the other Foot. We couldn't.....you lot were too busy bleeding us white! Ah, the special relationship! MD |
According to the OED
1947 Sci. News Let. 2 Aug. 70/1 Emergency spurts of speed of jet-propelled combat planes will result from a development of the Ryan Aeronautical Company which the makers call an ‘after burner’ [1947 Pop. Sci. Monthly Oct. 87/1 As a next step, they've devised the after~burner. It's principle, essentially the same as the steam-turbine reheat system, is fairly simple.] 1948 Brit. Patent 606,176 4/1 The act of turning on the re-heat will open the propelling nozzle. 1949 Flight 8 Sept. 285/1 Exhaust reheat, or ‘afterburning’, is the name given to the process of burning fuel in the exhaust pipe of a jet-propulsion unit. 1972 D. Hart-Davis Spider in Morning ii. 21 The reheats were in and burning fuel at a terrifying rate. 2005 R. R. Lawrence Mammoth Bk. Space Explor. & Disasters i. 4 The XF.91 was powered by a General Electric J.47 turbo-jet engine equipped with reheat |
At one time (WWII) the manuals had a page of "interpretations" at the back. Battery = accumulator for example. I know not now what an accumulator was called in the hydraulic system.
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Reheat was originally (& still is) a steam turbine term, and predates gas turbines. It would follow that it is therefore the original and was changed with the dominance of US terminology in many facets of aviation.
Now, when did "airscrew" become "propellor"? |
It's an "aeroplane", Mr Bader
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And when did the English 'alti-meter' become the American 'al-tim-eter'?
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
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I believe the VC10 had thrust augmentation BTW with that little outlet just aft of the Baggage door ( I mean the freight one, not the crew one) |
What about "Finals Three Greens" to "Finals Gear Down and Locked"?
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From the sources I found the original afterburner term referred to was the electromechanical component used to inject the fuel. The resultant fuel/air mix producing reheat.
Referred to as afterburner up to 1945 by AERL researchers who successfully ran the first prototype. AERL afterburner research |
Anyone have any idea how much the thrust augmenters on the VC10 (air conditioning exhausts) added, if any, to the push of 4 Conways ? I remember Dick Langworthy saying on an exchange he eventually had all the Americans calling the Windshield the correct term Windscreen and correcting fellow Colonials when they said it. |
Any Brits visiting the US should be careful not to walk on the pavement, lest their visit be a short one!
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Why do Americans drive on parkways and park on driveways? :confused::confused:
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Originally Posted by John Eacott
Now, when did "airscrew" become "propellor"?
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Superheat and reheat in steam turbines is for a slightly different reason from afterburning.
It's mainly to prevent the steam reducing to saturation state, losing energy and eroding LP turbine blades with condensed water droplets. |
Originally Posted by newt
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What about "Finals Three Greens" to "Finals Gear Down and Locked"?
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The P-51 Mustang also had thrust augmentation, the clever design of the cooler bulge underneath, meant the heated air from the cooler not only counteracted the drag of hanging the cooler out under the fuselage, but actually produced a small increase in thrust.
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And when did "finals" become "final"?
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Why do the Americans call the ground floor the 1st floor.
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but actually produced a small increase in thrust. |
Talk of the Meredith effect and the P51 in a thread about thrust augmenters/reheat/afterburners, reminded me of an old Farnborough report that would combine the threads together.
This is the summary from the report that was published in November 1943. "Estimates of the effect of burning fuel in the radiator duct of Mustang behindthe matrix, show that a top speed increase of 45 mph, at all heights ispossible with a combustion temperature of l000°C. Larger increases are possiblewith increased combustion temperatures. Loss of speed with the burners not in actionshould be negligible, and operation for 5 minutes at 1000°C uses sufficientfuel to reduce the subsequent endurance by about 18 minutes." |
@Wander 00
It has always been "final" as it is short for "on final approach", anything else is pure hollywood |
that is what I was taught that on my RAF engineering courses, it does produce thrust, the only one that does as far as I am aware and to quote the designer
He recounted his tales of the design concept of the P51 and on his ideas for aerodynamics at that time that led him to believe he could build a front line fighter with a higher top speed than the Spitfire MkIX. The key to the performance of the aircraft and its high top speed, he explained, was the air scoop that swung down below the fuselage to gulp great lungfulls of air. Nicknamed the doghouse, it makes the P51 instantly recognisable from any distance and has become a design icon of the second world war. Yet what I was unaware of until hearing Lee Attwood’s presentation was that despite hanging down into the airflow like a basking shark, the whole assembly doesn’t add any significant drag to the airframe. In fact, at various speeds, it actually provides thrust. This thing wasn’t just designed to look stunning. It had a clarity of purpose that came from many hours wind tunnel testing theories which at that time represented the cutting edge of aerodynamics. So how didLee Attwood and the team at North Americanachieve this amazing feat? Any racing car designer will tell you that cooling an engine creates drag. The smaller the radiators, the less drag, more speed. Too small a radiator of course means that cooling becomes marginal. Many warbird fighters have very marginal cooling systems, unable to spend much time on the ground on hot days before overheating, just like a Formula One car on the grid. The clever part of the Mustang cooling is not just in the intricately formed leading edge with its hand formed compound curves, but in the secondary section that comes after the air has entered the scoop. Nicknamed the ‘doghouse’ section, named after its shape resembling an upturned kennel, intricately shaped ramps and angles channel the air into a smaller and smaller space. As it’s forced into the smaller area, it’s forced rearwards, passing through what is effectively a choke, before being allowed to expand and pass through the radiator and oil cooler. The hot air then exits through a small flap, the size of which is continuously adjustable and creates the back pressure needed to achieve thrust. The difference in speed between the Spitfire XIX and the Mustang P51D is generally recorded as 405 vs 437 mph. Despite much discussion regarding laminar flow wings and fuselage fairings, Lee Atwood’s presentation, from the very man who designed the fighter, made it quite clear that it was the attention to detail and optimising the Meredith Effect that gave the P51 it’s high speed CONCLUSIONS The additional thrust of the cooling system further increases the interest for piston engines propulsion in aeronautical field. In fact, due to the Meredith effect, it has been possible to eliminate the radiator drag and to increase the total thrust of the power-pack. Therefore, Meredith ramjet improves the total available thrust and reduces fuel consumption. Both under-fuselage/under nacelle and in-wing configurations were analyzed |
Would it confuse things if I confessed that I never fully understood why plenum chamber burning didn't fry the compressor ?
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