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tartare 17th Jun 2016 06:17

Woman Hawg driver
 
Nice piece on a female A-10 pilot:
How a Small-Town Girl Ended Up in the Cockpit of an A-10 Warthog - The Drive
Interesting detail on training with Frogfoots and Hinds.

rock34 17th Jun 2016 09:36

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttt

TBM-Legend 17th Jun 2016 11:49

USAF's 'Crack Squadron'

Good read...

Turbine D 17th Jun 2016 12:28

Thanks, Tartare, Great story!

Roly 17th Jun 2016 13:09

IIRC, a Ukrainian lady recently in the news is a current Su-25 pilot.....

ORAC 17th Jun 2016 13:26

Why fly Hawgs when you can fly Eagles?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...,_3rd_Wing.jpg

PAXfips 17th Jun 2016 13:42

Eagles lack the feeling of BRRRRT between the legs? :p

Danny42C 17th Jun 2016 13:47

tartare,

Well worth a read. Take my hat off to the young lady. But not the first one to distinguish herself in an A-10, see:

<Kim Campbell (pilot) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell_(pilot)>
Some comment on this very interesting story that tartare has led us to:

'Banzai', I always understood, was the battle-cry of Japanese troops in WWII. Seems to have all sorts of other meanings now.

You can't miss the ejection seat handle !

'deconfliction'.......The purpose of ATC in one word ?

'ingress' and 'egress'......two more to add to 'access' etc.

'Operation Atlantic Resolve'.....Must try to access the story !


'A special thanks to Frank Crebas of Bluelife Aviation & Rich Cooper of the Centre of Aviation Photography for providing the amazing images you saw in this article and for executing the interview with Banzai in Bulgaria'
......and so say all uf us.

Couldn't see a Lieutenant's bar anywhere on flying kit. But Wiki tells me:

...The Flight Duty Uniform (FDU) features subdued cloth rank insignia sewn onto the shoulders. The Air Force flight cap is worn with the FDU and service dress uniforms. The flight cap is solid Air Force Blue for enlisted personnel, but features a solid silver edge braid for general officers, and an edge braid in a silver and blue diamond pattern for other officers. Officers wear a bright metal rank insignia toward the front edge of the (wearer's) left side of the flight cap
[would that include bone dome ?]...

All in all, food for thought. Thanks, tartare !

Danny42C

tartare 18th Jun 2016 01:37

Glad you liked it fellas.
Must admit I thought twice about posting it... given the strictly 100 IQ, literal humourlessness of some posters on other threads.
Wondered if the PC brigade would say `she's a girl - so what - why feature her above any other fighter pilot?'
The RNZAF took that line a few years ago when the first female fast jet pilot was streamed onto Macchis... which although I could kinda understand in one sense... also felt was a little self defeating.
That said - glad to see some of you above are not above a bit of harmless smut ;)
Hats off to the women knucks - that A-10 girl looks like a stone cold killer!
Any gal that can chuck around an Eagle or a Typhoon for that matter impresses the hell out of me.
I particularly liked the final lines about flying an unmanned aerial vehicle.

garyscott 18th Jun 2016 01:45

Big guns . . . . . and PMT . . . . :eek::E

The Oberon 18th Jun 2016 06:28

Flying them? no problem. Parking? that's a different matter.

Martin the Martian 18th Jun 2016 11:21

I was disappointed in all of the aviation press coverage of the A-10 detachment to Bulgaria not one article was entitled 'When Hog met Frog'.

Journos these days. No imagination...

Danny42C 18th Jun 2016 12:19

tartare,

On rereading, a few more gems struck my rheumy old eye:

"Task-saturated"..............(haven't we all been that at times? - but "knackered" is better and shorter).

"The more your toolkit expands".....(better not go into that).

"The rough and tumble, down and dirty, stick-and-rudder A-10"... (ah, my old Vultee Vengeance dive bomber to a 'T').

"Unmanned flight".......(neat dig at the misogynists !)

Banzai and Sparkles....TCT.... Compare and Contrast......

I do hope that someone draws their attention to this Post on PPRuNe. I takes me old "ratcatcher" 'at off to 'ee, and to all your sisters on both sides of the pond, that I do.

tartare, would I be correct in assuming that your "better place" is where kiwis and All Blacks come from ?

I shall now egress this Thread, I promise.

Cheers, Danny42C.

Lonewolf_50 18th Jun 2016 15:54


Originally Posted by Danny42C (Post 9411654)
tartare,

Couldn't see a Lieutenant's bar anywhere on flying kit. But Wiki tells me:
[would that include bone dome ?]...

All in all, food for thought. Thanks, tartare !

Danny42C

Danny, in this picture you can see the blue Lt's bar on the left shoulder. The nose of the A-10 on her upper left arm is pointing right to it.
http://d254andzyoxz3f.cloudfront.net/rc-rcp_1060.jpg

Danny42C 18th Jun 2016 16:11

Lonewolf 50,

Yup ! There it is ! Well spotted, Sir.

Thanks, Danny42C.

megan 18th Jun 2016 17:47

The Ladies are certainly into these days. There is a photo out there some where in the ether of a young Gal and aircraft who had the arse shot out of her Warthog. Also a story of a female crew plinking with their F-14 cannon on Bora Bora when that was all the go.

Young Lass from just down the street joined the RAAF and ended up flying with the aerobatic team, the Roulette's and PC-9. Later went to Qantas.

Pegpilot 18th Jun 2016 18:04

I once worked for an American woman who, after driving an Appache gunship for the US armed forces went on to become a project manager for Bechtel. She was scary enough in the latter role, so heaven only knows what she was like with a chopper full of ordnance at her disposal.....

PAXfips 18th Jun 2016 18:39

Will this eye-shadow be allowed in combat?

I understand that they put that on for the story pics and it looks good, just asking.

Danny42C 18th Jun 2016 20:17

megan,

That would be Major Kim Campbell mentioned in #8.

D.

RAFEngO74to09 18th Jun 2016 20:25

Brigadier General Jeannie M Leavitt - the first USAF fighter pilot in 1993 - is now Commander 57 Wing at Nellis AFB.

Her operational flying was all on the F-15E.

BRIGADIER GENERAL JEANNIE M. LEAVITT > Nellis Air Force Base > Display

The Helpful Stacker 18th Jun 2016 20:32

Hey a Pinckney girl! My Grandad taught me to play ice hockey on Portage Lake, right around the corner from Pinckney.

tartare 18th Jun 2016 23:53

Danny - I hail from the land of the long white cloud.
But the better place is the west island - bigger, better weather.
Although when it comes to rugby - I bleed black!
Pax - I suspect you're right.
The oils in makeup and oxygen would be a safety hazard I'd imagine.

megan 19th Jun 2016 07:03

That's the girl Danny, thanks.

PS: have a pilot report on the Vengeance by Eric Brown. Made it sound something of a pilots bird. Want a copy?

Danny42C 19th Jun 2016 13:09

The Female of the Species is more dangerous than the Male.
 
megan (your #16)

...Also a story of a female crew plinking with their F-14 cannon on Bora Bora when that was all the go...
Here is a copy of another of my Posts which is relevant to this story (15.1.15 p.334 #6670). Unfortunately I cannot trace it back to the Post referred to:

...(Copied from another of my Posts on another Thread)
My eye was caught by this link:
(Extract D.Tel. 9.1.15).
"The pair have said that one of their proudest moments to date involved helping to foil a rocket (RPG ?) attack on their base at Kandahar airfield in 2010".
"There was a high threat and the base was expecting an imminent attack after some men were spotted in a nearby ditch, setting up to fire a rocket (RPG ?) at their accommodation block".
"They took the aircraft out to 15 miles from their position in the ditch and came down to low level, approaching at more than 500mph and as close to the Operational Low Flying minimum of 100 feet as possible, passing directly over them before heading into a steep climb".
"The rocket crew immediately scarpered in a truck and the pair felt they had made a tangible difference to protect their colleagues".
“The intention is to always use the minimum force required to provide the effect needed by the guys on the ground".
Am I missing something here ? This was in 2010, and there was a war going on in Afghanistan (as we have 453 good reasons to remember). This is the enemy, and he is making ready to kill you (or some of your comrades) if he can. You are airborne in one of the RAF's most powerful weapons. You have a 27mm cannon.
You buzz him off (as I used to shift a flock of goats off my strip before landing).
So that he can come back later and try again ?
I am a simple soul. Can someone please explain this to me (after all, my war was 70 years ago, and things change).
Danny.
Afterthought 1: I have my grandfather's India General Service Medal (with a clasp for Kandahar !) Nothing changes !
Afterthought 2: Radio a day or two ago reports that the Afghan Premier has appointed a Taliban General as Governer of the Helmand Province (If true, you couldn't invent it). D...
The twist to the story was, of course, that the crew were two ladies (I understand that the WSO [?] is now CO of a FJ Sqn). This was not mentioned in my original post as it was irrelevant - the problem was the ROE.
What do you suppose Major Campbell would have done under those circumstances ? Are the USAF ROEs the same ?

Danny.


megan,

Not seen a copy of the Report, but this was discussed a long time ago on "Pilot's Brevet" (reference not to hand, but could be dug up). He was rather disparaging of the VV, reckoning that the Stuka was superior as a dive bomber, inasmuch as the Stuka could be dived vertically, whereas the VV could not (which is the reverse of the fact). We concluded that he was given a Mk. IV (A-35) to test, in which case he may well have been right. As I never flew a Mk. IV, I am not an authority on them.

Unless the report says anything more, don't send a copy - but thanks all the same !

Danny.

Lonewolf_50 20th Jun 2016 13:09


Originally Posted by Danny42C (Post 9413183)
The twist to the story was, of course, that the crew were two ladies (I understand that the WSO [?] is now CO of a FJ Sqn). This was not mentioned in my original post as it was irrelevant - the problem was the ROE.
What do you suppose Major Campbell would have done under those circumstances ? Are the USAF ROEs the same ?

Danny, my information is about a decade old, but RoE in Afghanistan was very tight for a long time -- it also varied with circumstances. There were days when I'd say that the fight was micromanaged at a high level, but at other times the key decision was the ground commander's judgment: do I want airborne fires, or some other effect from the air support?


Making a lot of this more difficult is how close some targets are to things/people our side does not want hit. (Note the savage noise after that air strike that hit a hospital (that was reported by the local Afgh ground commander as being a fighting position) recently). The fallout of press/media/information/propaganda goes into the formulation of RoE and from my recollection nobody in a civilian suit cares that it makes it more difficult and complex for those fighting. "You're the professionals, make it work." It didn't matter what party of political 'side' the final RoE approvals came from. "Don't make me look bad on CNN" is the prime directive from the political leadership. :mad:

Danny42C 20th Jun 2016 14:00

Lonewolf 50,

Granted - (and the power of the 'meeja" is truly enormous), but who in his right mind could deny that this was a 100%, copper-bottomed, gold-plated military target ? Do not Daesh (or whatever we're supposed to call them now) run around today with artillery on the backs of Toyota pick-ups ?

And was this not a Clear and Present Danger to our troops in Kandahar ? If we're not to use lethal force on them in a case like this, then what are we doing there at all ?

This old mind boggles (it were different when I were a lad).

Danny.

Lonewolf_50 20th Jun 2016 16:55


Originally Posted by Danny42C (Post 9414030)
Lonewolf 50, ...snip...who in his right mind could deny that this was a 100%, copper-bottomed, gold-plated military target? Do not Daesh (or whatever we're supposed to call them now) run around today with artillery on the backs of Toyota pick-ups ?

As I don't have a map and grid with the surrounding environment, I can't say how that would influence a "weapons free" or "weapons tight" ruling. The crew may have launched with an RoE of 'weapons tight unless otherwise advised' which is something I've seen in a variety of real world ops.

My heart is with your sentiments, of course.

And was this not a Clear and Present Danger to our troops in Kandahar ?
That's how I'd see it, but some of the RoE get into bizarre levels of detail. As Dick Deadeye said in HMS Pinafore " It's a queer world!" (queer meaning strange and not natural). on the other hand, my experiences with ops in Iraq is that when a 'technical' (armed pickup with AAA or mortars or rockets on the back) were found, they were valid targets so long as friendlies or "non targets" were not within 'x' distance. The folks who usually got them were armed rotary wing assets. I do recall clearly (and we got Gun Camera footage the following day from the squadron) a lovely strike on a pick up truck with a 57mm AAA piece in the northern part of Fallujah, done by an F-18 using (IIRC) a Maverick, of all things. There were times when the pilots were allowed to deploy their weapons systems as intended. :ok:


If we're not to use lethal force on them in a case like this, then what are we doing there at all ?
Ain't that the question? :mad:

Wander00 20th Jun 2016 17:09

Having read Brig Gen Leavitt's CV, what for an ignorant Brit does "Brig Gen Frocked" mean please

Lonewolf_50 20th Jun 2016 17:13


Originally Posted by Wander00 (Post 9414198)
Having read Brig Gen Leavitt's CV, what for an ignorant Brit does "Brig Gen Frocked" mean please

If it's in the US, it means that the star was pinned on due to being
  1. on the approved promotion list for BGen,
  2. and in a one star billet
but not yet paid as a one-star due to "official effective date of rank" in the promotion message" sent out by the personnel folks. I was frocked twice (and had a cigarette after each time) to LCDR and CDR (O-4 and O-5) in the Navy. It allowed the Navy to fill the billet but not pay for it for a few months until my official date of rank arrived. (In a large service like the USN, they break promotion bunches into blocs by seniority number, which is basically a way to save a few dollars). It can matter in obscure cases later on, when someone tries to figure out "who is senior" and dates of rank are compared. Rare but occasionally useful on the admin side. I was once the XO for two weeks by virtue of being being the senior LCDR present and the XO was on leave.

Wander00 20th Jun 2016 19:10

aah, what we call "acting unpaid", but if you are discharging the responsibilities of the rank in an appropriate posti you get "acting paid rank" (well you did in my day.....) pending the promotion list being published, which used to be twice yearly, But thanks for taking the trouble to explain

KenV 21st Jun 2016 11:42

Regarding "frocked" ranks, besides not getting the pay of your frocked rank, your frocked rank does not apply under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). So when frocked you can properly wear the insignia, have the title, and fill a billet of the frocked rank, but you are not "legally" at that rank for pay, seniority, or military justice purposes. Hope that helped.

Danny42C 21st Jun 2016 12:09

KenV,

Never came across "Frocked" in that sense: there was only Acting (paid) and Acting (unpaid) AFAIK.

Now "Unfrocked" (as of a clergyman) has a clear derivation. He/Her has the right to wear the vestments of the Office withdrawn. Suppose "Frocked" has the opposite meaning as used here.

Danny42C..

KenV 21st Jun 2016 13:07


Now "Unfrocked" (as of a clergyman) has a clear derivation. He/Her has the right to wear the vestments of the Office withdrawn.
That's probably the origin of the term. A frocked clergyman is one who is entitled to wear the vestments of his ecclesiastical office. A defrocked clergyman can no longer wear those vestments.


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