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wonderboysteve, this is actually only partly true. Martin Withers was asked the exact reason for ceasing flying in an event I attended and this is what he said as I recall. It was Marshalls who were unwilling to continue OEM support beyond 2015. VTTS did find an alternative company (Cranfield) who were willing to assume the role, but Cranfield were not acceptable to RR. So you could argue it was Marshall's that pulled the plug rather than RR, as RR were willing to continue further if Marshalls had not withdrawn. The remaining engines, through careful management, had sufficient life for a few more seasons. I'll ask MW whether he considers himself misquoted, next time I see him. |
Quite rightly too, better to have ended on a high while the going was good, than to risk it all for one extra season....
Still we do have this to watch fly :) And damned impressive it was https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7176/2...69213869_c.jpg https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7418/2...ae2826ba_c.jpg Sorry the second shot is not as good, but I was shooting half way down the runway. :) |
I believe that the silica gel practice came about as a result of VTTS failing to prevent corrosion on turbine discs by proper storage. RR's first reaction to the degree of corrosion was to scrap them. I think they did get around to some form of recovery eventually. While I wasn't involved, I believe RR was not too happy about the competence of VTTS which may have coloured their view of the change from Marshalls. I believe the CAA would have also had to approve the change to Cranfield; did they have any issues? EAP |
That scale jobbie is pretty impressive, Nutty.
Any details on it? |
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wonderboysteve,
its certainly my recollection of MW's explanation, he made the point more than once, that it was Marshall's decision to discontinue which triggered the end of flight and RR would have continued (but not with anyone else such as Cranfield). It sounds like you know him personally and may have heard things differently. If I've misunderstood I apologise - his comments were made at the Vulcan Restoration Trust Christmas event so a good 40 or 50 others in the room also listened to what he said, they may have heard differently to me, though he seemed quite clear to me. Nutloose, I have also wondered the same thing. The Silica gel incident couldn't have built confidence, to say the least. Anyway, whether RR or Marshalls felt enough was enough, or whether it was a joint decision hardly matters now. |
" The Silica gel incident couldn't have built confidence"
if we are leaning towards RR I'd say pot kettle and black! |
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" The Silica gel incident couldn't have built confidence" if we are leaning towards RR I'd say pot kettle and black! Please feel free to elaborate. Don't be shy about including any facts, as opposed to your freely given opinion. :rolleyes: Flipflopman |
Well its been re-registered as G-CTTS.
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Does this mean that VTTS are no longer involved withe the 'Peoples Mosquito' project?
Apologies for thread drift......:) |
Originally Posted by bobward
Does this mean that VTTS are no longer involved withe the 'Peoples Mosquito' project?
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I wonder if anyone has got the Canberra to the sky website and registered it before them
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
(Post 9402144)
Don't think anyone is involved with the 'Peoples Mosquito' project anymore, it all too predictably fell apart a year or more ago IIRC.
TPM a Registered Charity ? Reg marks G-FBVI reserved ? wing ribs update ? The People's Mosquito |
Nutloose wrote
I wonder if anyone has got the Canberra to the sky website and registered it before them Canberratothesky.org - Canberratothesky |
Canberra aircraft in Peru
Will visit Pisco tomorrow, a city where a peruvian air force military base is located, to accompany a colleague that has just bought three complete Canberra aircraft from them. Peru was a fleet user of the type. We will be there for coordinations and pictures will be available. Does anyone know of someone interested in Canberra parts or engines?
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Interesting news Kwick, I would be interested to know which jets he got as the Peruvians bought a batch of the RAF B(I).8s in the mid 70s.
Still wish someone had not decided to get rid of the one we had at Cosford:{ V1 |
Hi V1,
Will let know which model he has got, and which is the status on them, would be nice if in some way something can be done with them. Best regards, Kwick |
Originally Posted by kwick
(Post 9428355)
Hi V1,
Will let know which model he has got, and which is the status on them, would be nice if in some way something can be done with them. Best regards, Kwick FAP Canberra's Fuerza Aerea del Peru - IPMS UK Canberra SIG John |
Out of interest as I have been on an extended vacation for a while, are you aware that the Vulcan, Canberra in a partially stripped down state, their tooling and equipment are currently residing outside near the sewerage works, they also have I believe deinhibited the engines as well and as they have no engineers anymore the chances of them being inhibited is probably rare.
Worse than the Canberra having the Horizontal tail off is the wings are open too, they haven't even done what any engineer would have done and taped it all up to protect it. Unless taken beforehand I suppose. http://www.visitdoncaster.com/system...a___Vulcan.png so you are left with this open to the elements http://www.vulcantothesky.org/upload...e/Canberra.JPG |
Robert Pleming writes with an overview of what has been happening since the success of the Survival Appeal: We are now six months on from the successful conclusion of the £200,000 Survival Campaign, required because of the effects of the loss of the Trust’s ability to host visitor tours and events at Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA). As a business, the Trust needs to do whatever is required to remain trading and solvent, and to discharge its contractual responsibilities. As a charity, the Trust has a duty to provide public benefits, specifically the safeguarding of its heritage assets XH558 and WK163 but importantly also to explain and educate in any way possible what is interesting, valuable and relevant about these assets. As a summary for new readers of these newsletters, the loss of the Trust’s ability to trade in DSA’s Hangar 3 at the end of January necessitated a radical restructure of the Trust, to reflect the significant reduction in revenue but also the temporary cessation of many activities. Undoubtedly the most significant loss was that of the ability for the public to visit the aircraft, due to the move of the aircraft to Hangar 1, to which public access was denied, and subsequently to external airside parking. In 2016, the Trust welcomed over 19,000 visitors to Hangar 3. In 2017, that has shrunk to the couple of hundred visitors participating in XH558’s ground engine run days, plus a few hundred more that have attended events and talks that the Trust has arranged around the country. The Trust went from 22 full-time employees plus 2 part-time employees (five of whom the Trust inherited when it took over the lease of Hangar 3 in January 2016), supporting a £2.4million annual turnover, to 8 full-time employees plus 1 part-timer (three of whom still service a profitable facilities management contract for Hangar 3) for a projected annual revenue of £800,000. As ever, a few contracted consultants continue to contribute in specialist areas such as fund-raising. The Survival Appeal enabled the Trust to absorb the shock of this huge change. DSA’s offer of a lease on a plot of land on the airport’s boundary on which a purpose-built Heritage Hangar could be constructed provided a feasible route forward to the eventual resumption of the Trust’s charitable activities, and the way by which the Trust could discharge its responsibilities to the Heritage Lottery Fund for the preservation of XH558 in full working order, and the delivery of educational activities for the rest of the century. Over the spring and summer months, under Andrew Edmondson’s leadership, considerable work has been done pro bono by a team of local design, engineering and construction companies, firstly to create a workable but cost-effective design for the new 2500m2 Heritage Hangar tailor-made for public visits and events alongside aircraft engineering, but also to carry out the tests and inspections required for a successful application for planning permission to Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council. Last week, that application was submitted, together with the required and not insubstantial fee of over £15,000. We expect to receive a decision in December. The work done on the design of the new hangar also generated an estimate for the total cost of construction and fit-out – some £2.8million, including start-up working capital. Unlike many other charities, the Trust does not have an endowment or capital reserves, so the plan is to find an investor or consortium to fund the build, with the added attraction of contributing to the development of the Airport. In parallel with the planning activity, a Business Plan for the Heritage Hangar has been created, based on the successful business model in Hangar 3 of visitor tours, events, merchandising and catering. This Business Plan has been to subject of extensive review and will continue to be updated, as we need it to be as robust as possible. The Business Plan is aimed at demonstrating that an investor funding the construction of the new Heritage Hangar will be assured of an acceptable return on an investment. We are already talking to prospective investors, and expect to gain valuable feedback on optimising the attractiveness of our proposition over coming weeks. As with any charity embarking on a new direction, we are drawing on advice from various quarters, especially from those who have experience of similar projects. It’s difficult to be definite on timescales, but we very much hope to open for business in the new Heritage Hangar in 2018. If there is anyone reading this who believes they have the relevant experience to help, please contact me – [email protected] In addition to all this work aimed at securing the future for the Trust, the team’s fundraising, merchandising, events and outreach activities have continued with a stream of imaginative and exciting ideas. These have been and will continue to be vital to the continued existence of the Trust since its restructuring; please watch out for further initiatives in coming weeks and months. Support of the Trust’s activities by growing numbers of volunteers all around the country is becoming very important, especially to the Trust’s abilities to deliver public benefits in terms of talks and events away from Doncaster Sheffield Airport itself. During the summer, our volunteers enabled the Trust to be represented at several of the major airshows, where we were heartened by the expressions of interest and good wishes from the many supporters who visited the stand. The Trust now has over 50 active volunteers, and we expect this to grow – do let us know if you would like to join the team. (See here for an appeal for specific volunteer roles.) We understand that there are a number of questions that have arisen over recent weeks to which Dr Stephen Liddle, one of our Trustees, has kindly responded in a “Question and Answer” page, which follows on below. I hope we will have further significant news on progress to bring you in the coming few months, and will broadcast this to you all in our regular e-newsletters and on social media, however I also plan to provide a further comprehensive update to supporters in six months’ time. As we approach the 10th anniversary of XH558’s first post-restoration flight on 18th October, I wish all her supporters the very best. Robert Pleming. An extensive Question and Answer section compiled by Trustee, Dr Stephen Liddle, to respond to the most frequently seen queries with regard to the end of flying, XH558’s location and the future. (Click link below and scroll down to the bottom for the questions please.) 6 Month Review | Vulcan To The Sky Funny I thought they generated the 200k on the pretext of moving between hangars, not to tide themselves over. |
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Blimey, he doesn't stop does he? How much is he paying himself now?
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Originally Posted by hunterboy
(Post 9904766)
Blimey, he doesn't stop does he? How much is he paying himself now?
Indeed. I still don't understand 8 full time employees, and he as a "consultant"- all for 2 aircraft sitting outside in the elements, essentially out of the public view? This seems more of a "gig" for some..... |
I believe he no longer receives payment.
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PR9
Hi Tinrins,
90%N1 on take off I remember but sometimes we were naughty! |
PR9 in Peru
Originally Posted by kwick
(Post 9427298)
Will visit Pisco tomorrow, a city where a peruvian air force military base is located, to accompany a colleague that has just bought three complete Canberra aircraft from them. Peru was a fleet user of the type. We will be there for coordinations and pictures will be available. Does anyone know of someone interested in Canberra parts or engines?
I flew seven Canberra types inc. WK134 and XH 169 the two 'System IIIb' aircraft on worldwide Recce missions and would be interested to know if these Peru aircraft are airworthy and flyable. Very interested to get a chance to fly a PR9 again! -or at least be involved. An incredible aircraft that demanded huge respect in flying it safely. As someone else said, and I can attest - it was actually twice a Hunter or vv. At least the avpin starter didn't need the flames beating out like on the Hunter! |
Originally Posted by kwick
(Post 9427298)
Will visit Pisco tomorrow, a city where a peruvian air force military base is located, to accompany a colleague that has just bought three complete Canberra aircraft from them. Peru was a fleet user of the type. We will be there for coordinations and pictures will be available. Does anyone know of someone interested in Canberra parts or engines?
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