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NutLoose 18th May 2016 12:03

You better get all those last minute jobs finished
 
As apparently we may only have this year to finish them..

Nato risks a nuclear war with Russia 'within a year', warns senior general | Europe | News | The Independent

Mind you he is trying to flog his book


Nato risks a nuclear war with Russia within a year if it does not increase its defence capabilities in the Baltic states, one of the alliance's most senior retired generals has said.
General Sir Richard Shirreff, who served as Nato’s Deputy Supreme Allied Commander in Europe between 2011 and 2014, said that an attack on Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia – all Nato members – was a serious possibility and that the West should act now to avert “potential catastrophe”.
He has written a fictional book 2017: War with Russia, but told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme the events it describes were “entirely plausible”.

Martin the Martian 18th May 2016 12:09

Will it be before or after I have to file my self assessment tax return? That's what I want to know.

NutLoose 18th May 2016 12:12

Well if you're doing it on-line, you better get it in, though don't expect a reply as there might just be a loud squeal on the line..

treadigraph 18th May 2016 12:30

I won't bother weeding the garden then...

TBM-Legend 18th May 2016 12:47

Move to Hiroshima or Nagasaki then as lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place; or so it's said!

Pontius Navigator 18th May 2016 14:05

Treadigraph, with you there, why do today what you don't have to do tomorrow.

Fareastdriver 18th May 2016 14:35

You mean I don't have to do all those jobs I put off in 1960.

Herod 18th May 2016 14:38


Move to Hiroshima or Nagasaki then as lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place; or so it's said!
I remember hearing (probably apocryphal) of a chap in America in the thirties, who figured a war was inevitable. He studied all the variables of the various nations, and moved his family to what he calculated was the safest place. They moved to the Solomon Islands, or to be more specific, Guadalcanal.

Two's in 18th May 2016 14:56

Could be handy for outside jobs requiring the application of a direct heat source.

Ken Scott 18th May 2016 15:22


I remember hearing (probably apocryphal) of a chap in America in the thirties, who figured a war was inevitable. He studied all the variables of the various nations, and moved his family to what he calculated was the safest place. They moved to the Solomon Islands, or to be more specific, Guadalcanal.
Herod: I long ago heard a similar story but the chap was alleged to have moved to the Falkland Islands in the late 1970s to avoid the threat of nuclear war between USA & USSR.

Tashengurt 18th May 2016 16:08

Since it's apparently 1983 again, can I have my 1983 waistline back?

Mogwi 18th May 2016 16:08


Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 9380150)
Herod: I long ago heard a similar story but the chap was alleged to have moved to the Falkland Islands in the late 1970s to avoid the threat of nuclear war between USA & USSR.

Absolutely correct. He was a climatologist who reckoned the Falklands was one of the few places in the world that would not be covered by radioactive fall-out. Bit of bad luck really!

Non Emmett 18th May 2016 16:12

I see we are honing our defences..... had a Sea Vixen over the top this afternoon. Apparently did an overshoot or two at Culdrose.

Tourist 18th May 2016 16:17


Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 9380150)
Herod: I long ago heard a similar story but the chap was alleged to have moved to the Falkland Islands in the late 1970s to avoid the threat of nuclear war between USA & USSR.

That is not apocryphal.

He was a Canadian, I went to school with his son who was called Jimmy Mc....... (yes I know it sounds like a Scottish name, but he was Canadian, honestly)

ICM 18th May 2016 16:19

I heard General Shireff on the Today programme this morning and my reaction then was that as we've survived some 30 years since General Sir John Hackett's "Third World War," predicated for 1985, then hopefully all will be well over this new book. That said, I would not be surprised if President Putin comes up with some scheme to test the water once we have a new US President, but I'd like to think that his self-interest will prevent him from doing anything too silly.

ian16th 18th May 2016 16:20


Herod: I long ago heard a similar story but the chap was alleged to have moved to the Falkland Islands in the late 1970s to avoid the threat of nuclear war between USA & USSR.
Wasn't he a Canadian?

CoffmanStarter 18th May 2016 16:24

What no more PPRuNe Mil CapComp or BBQ Threads ! ... The world will truly end that day Nutty :p

skydiver69 18th May 2016 17:26


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 9380017)
Move to Hiroshima or Nagasaki then as lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place; or so it's said!

One Japanese guy survived both bombs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi

Haraka 18th May 2016 19:00


the chap was alleged to have moved to the Falkland Islands in the late 1970s to avoid the threat of nuclear war
Doing the rounds in the 70's was the tale of the American in the late 30's who could see that the Second World War coming and moved himself and his family to a nice remote island:
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called Guadalcanal.

Herod 18th May 2016 19:29

Haraka. The good thing about deja vu is that you've seen it before. Check my post #8

Fareastdriver 18th May 2016 19:47

I don't know why he went to Guadalcanal in the thirties for. It must have been an even bigger tip than it was ten years ago when I was there.

tartare 19th May 2016 01:17

Dunno why you lot up there in Yurp are so worried.
We're sitting down here in Orstraylia wondering when Uncle Sam is going to grow a pair and bring out the big stick to put a stop to all this reef development.
I reckon that's far more likely to start a messy little conflagration.
My boss used to run a large Oz Government Department that has a peripheral involvement in security matters - and sighed recently that she thinks armed conflict with China is inevitable.
Must pay the Council rates before that happens!

onetrack 19th May 2016 03:28

I have a copy of the Peoples Almanac from 1975, by Wallechinsky and Wallace. I bought it from a second-hand bookstore about the early 1980's for $5.

I've got more laughs from that Almanac for $5, than anything else that I've paid more money for.

One chapter is devoted to the prominent scientists, seers, and soothsayers of the day - and their forecasts for the future.
It's a real giggle looking back on those predictions now.

Half the civilised world was supposed to be wiped out by a nuclear holocaust by 1983. China and America were going to start a World War in 1987 and billions were going to die.
There were wars predicted with Russia, with a dozen other belligerent nations - Armageddon in the Middle East was supposed to happen by 1999. World peace was going to happen in 1998. It goes on and on.

Funnily enough, not one future forecaster or seer predicted the 9/11 hit on the U.S. Not one predicted the rise of ISIS or radical Islam or the increase in terrorism.

We in the West won't go to war with Russia, the Russians have more sense than that.
The signs of extreme militarism within a country have to happen over a decade, along with a verifiable substantial increase in military production.
Neither is happening in Russia today, despite Putins chest beating.

Russia has numerous internal economic problems to deal with, and there's little sign of a major and serious increase in militarism towards the West. However, there's little doubt that extremist Islamics will continue to feel the heat from Russia.

The greatest single worry as regards a nuclear attack comes from the one rogue state who can rightly be described as belligerent, un-cooperative, and intent on increasing militarism towards the West, towards Japan, and towards South Korea.

NutLoose 19th May 2016 09:13


Tashengurt

Since it's apparently 1983 again, can I have my 1983 waistline back?
Don't worry, by T minus plus 3.1 should see that excess fat burnt off.... indeed by T Minus plus 3.2 you should be positively anorexic.

:E

pasta 19th May 2016 09:19


Half the civilised world was supposed to be wiped out by a nuclear holocaust by 1983.
I imagine the reason this didn't happen was that no-one could find it...

FantomZorbin 19th May 2016 11:32

Above the Clouds
Just be careful that the Sump Pump Handle is stowed before you make an emergency descent ... it hurts, I've the scars to prove it!!

MPN11 19th May 2016 12:14

I should be grateful if Armageddon was deferred for a while ... I have 3 holidays booked, all non-refundable

Heathrow Harry 19th May 2016 12:35

wow _ how could anyone think his forecast of war is in anyway related to a book he's trying to sell??? For shame! For Shame!!

pasta 19th May 2016 12:59


I should be grateful if Armageddon was deferred for a while ... I have 3 holidays booked, all non-refundable
In remote places like the Falklands and Guadalcanal, no doubt...

CoffmanStarter 19th May 2016 13:55

Nah ... Far more remote than that Pasta old chap ... The Channel Islands :}

ExRAFRadar 19th May 2016 14:32

I read Hackett's books back in the day.
Great take on WW3 in Europe full of British daring do.
The account of the air war over the central front makes for a great read.
However the book 'Arclight' may seem more relevant.

Wander00 19th May 2016 14:36

Ex Radar - thought Hackett's book was what all station exercises were based on

MPN11 19th May 2016 18:59


Nah ... Far more remote than that Pasta old chap ... The Channel Islands
No, that's the permanent holiday location :)

Others are reasonably safe ... Phoenix, Anchorage and Cape Town. Northern Virginia is a bit risky, though, in sight of the Capitol Building ;)

ShyTorque 19th May 2016 21:24


Half the civilised world was supposed to be wiped out by a nuclear holocaust by 1983.
It almost did... but thanks to a relatively junior Russian military officer, in charge of very important button pushing, it didn't.

NutLoose 20th May 2016 00:17


We in the West won't go to war with Russia, the Russians have more sense than that

Plus we do not have the facilities to handle such large POW numbers... :p

Buster Hyman 20th May 2016 05:20


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 9382032)
Plus we do not have the facilities to handle such large POW numbers... :p

Germany will take them.

Anyway, luckily for me, I've been preparing for this eventuality...

BEagle 20th May 2016 06:59

The latest from the Shock! Horror! Worry!! industry...:rolleyes:.

Are we still worrying about cyclamates, herpes, acid rain, leaded fuel, global cooling, global warming, cholesterol, alcohol consumption....or whatever the food police, envirofundamentalists or other scare mongers will invent next?

MPN11 20th May 2016 08:11

BEagle ... you missed smoking! Apart from the packaging aspect, it is intended to phase out Menthol flavoured cigarettes by 2020, as "they are appealing to women". Not surprisingly, the female member of this household is severely unimpressed, and wishes to 'thank' HMG and Health Police for making her later years less pleasurable.

ian16th 20th May 2016 12:54


it is intended to phase out Menthol flavoured cigarettes by 2020, as "they are appealing to women".
I dunno if I should take that as an insult to my 'manliness'?

I switched to Consulate as an interim step to stopping smoking.

I finally quit in 1971.:ok:

NutLoose 20th May 2016 13:20

Back in the time of RAFG when the customs used to give confiscated ciggies out to the military and they were handed out for free at unit level, those of us who smoked would work our way through the B&H etc, then struggle through the unfiltered, the tobacco and finally the Menthol ( that was all that was left).... even the hardened smokers (then) amongst us would prefer to buy our own than smoke those freebies... it was like sucking on a burning polo mint.

I quit the RAF and on New Years eve during my resettlement, I went from 20 plus to nil overnight, that was 89 and I have never picked one up since... the thought of a Menthol cigarette still makes me feel queasy and gag..


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