James Dyson and the Harrier.
Not sure it had a carbon fibre wing back in the 60s though..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36257643 |
Composite technology came with the re-design as the AV8B in the early 80s so he's wrong, it wasn't around in the 60s.
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... I'm still trying to work out what Dyson means when it says it uses 'Digital Electric Motors' :rolleyes:
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Harrier Composite
I seem to recall that the advent of major composite airframe parts then caused a rethink in how it stood up to battle damage in the field; as what was a 'hole' punched into metal originally became a more serious problem when it shattered a composite component.
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Dyson is a scroat with a tendency to marketing B/S to justify inflated prices.
His famed "digital motor" is simply a brushless DC motor - nothing that clever or unique. They are manufactured in the millions all over the world for uses ranging from robots and UAVs to radio-controlled toys. Every quadcopter "drone" has at least four of them... PDR |
... I'm still trying to work out what Dyson means when it says it uses 'Digital Electric Motors' Smaller, more efficient, runs cooler... |
Originally Posted by PDR1
(Post 9374000)
Dyson is a scroat with a tendency to marketing B/S to justify inflated prices.
His famed "digital motor" is simply a brushless DC motor - nothing that clever or unique. They are manufactured in the millions all over the world for uses ranging from robots and UAVs to radio-controlled toys. Every quadcopter "drone" has at least four of them... PDR |
Dyson is a scroat with a tendency to marketing B/S to justify inflated prices. - PDR1
Have just been in touch with James who laughed, and replied that you might like to look up the definition of a "scrote" in the Urban Dictionary.......:E Jack |
I first flew the plastic wing in 1979.
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Nige ...
That's my point ... The physical motor is no more than a bog standard DC Brushless Electric Motor ... How you generate the field in the stator coil is another matter. Marketing 'Hype' ... Pure and simple. The word 'Digital' has been/is being overused by the advertising industry IMHO. Sorry for thread drift ... |
Is that a digital thread drift, or simply an analogue one? On important issues like this, we need to know.
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Nutty ...
01000100 01101001 01100111 01101001 01110100 01100001 01101100 Go figure :p |
Originally Posted by rugmuncher
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If it has more than four, is it still called a quadcopter?
Well you did ask... :) PDR |
Originally Posted by John Farley
(Post 9374207)
I first flew the plastic wing in 1979.
:) Actually I think I have photos of that flight amongst the piles I salvaged from Phil's bin when the Dunsfold photograph dept was closed down. PDR |
Yee I did smirk at the wing moment :}
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I thought the binary might be more exciting than it was
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Having now viewed the video - his comment about it weighing "five tons" was a bit off as well. I'm sure John can correct me here, but from memory I don't think a Harrier II has a flyable configuration down at 10,000lbs does it? Certainly the original 1127/kestrals had basic weights down there somewhere, but I'm not that sure if even any of the Harrier Is did.
At the other end of the scale I can remember the 34,000lb AUW (or was it 32,000?) clearance trials, but that's a different skillet of trout, of course. PDR |
Originally Posted by PDR1
(Post 9374359)
Having now viewed the video - his comment about it weighing "five tons" was a bit off as well. I'm sure John can correct me here, but from memory I don't think a Harrier II has a flyable configuration down at 10,000lbs does it?
-RP |
Coffman
What is slightly unusual is the speed Dyson's motors run at, over 100,000 RPM. I suspect the speed controller is doing some quite clever stuff measuring RPM and governing speed... I do know they get through thousands of prototypes of the airmoving parts.... |
There are plenty of electric motors (especially brushless ones) which operate at these sorts of speeds. And the controller will be either a sensored or sensorless brushless controller of the kind made in gazillions al over the world - known technology and nothing particularly clever. With a synthetic commutator (which is how a brushless motor works) you don't need to do anything clever to know and govern speed because you're nailing it in the control function.
Of course electric motors are *inherently* speed limited by the nature of the wind and the applied voltage anyway. I have a motor which can develop 1500watts at 8,000rpm into a 22" propeller from a 44v power supply. If I take the prop off and apply full power it turns at a whopping great... ...10,100rpm. That's all. The effect of back-EMF as expressed in a paramter called the "motor constant" (Kv) means that the motor will never turn more than a certain number of rpm per applied volt of electrickery. The rest of it is snake oil, of course. And purple plastic - that makes it very high tech! PDR |
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