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MATELO 27th Apr 2016 10:40

The RAF has used its biggest bomb in an attack against an IS tunnel
 
Coalition Airstrike Targets Tunnel Complex With Massive Paveway Ordnance

Wannabeupthere 27th Apr 2016 11:04

Ah the paveway ordnance, was it designated by buccaneers?


(sorry checked my watch, I'm 25 years behind)

just another jocky 27th Apr 2016 12:41

Cue lots of posts about how much bigger the bombs were in days gone by. <sigh>

Courtney Mil 27th Apr 2016 13:02

Nice work. More of the same, please.

Pontius Navigator 27th Apr 2016 14:25

Now if you put a guidance package on a Tallboy and had an aircraft that could lift it and fly high enough . . .

langleybaston 27th Apr 2016 15:38

BBMF might just have the thing ...............

MAINJAFAD 27th Apr 2016 16:11

Can't get a Tallboy in city of Lincoln without removing the bomb bay doors (617 and 9 Sqn lancs had the deep bay doors). Could always lob it out of the back of a cargo aircraft like a C-17 or a Herc though.


CoffmanStarter 27th Apr 2016 16:42

Yep ... Best 'use' of my income tax contributions this year ... Very happy for the MOD to spend more :ok:

Herod 27th Apr 2016 16:57

That's got to be value for money.

MPN11 27th Apr 2016 17:19

Happy to chip in a few 'Pension Quid" if they need some more ;)

Lonewolf_50 27th Apr 2016 18:49

The fact that it's a 2,000 bomb is a bit of a yawner. A decade and more ago our Vipers were flying routine missions, on call or planned strike, over Iraq with GBU-31 JDAM: 2000-lb bomb, GPS guided. It was part of a standard load out.

What interests me about the Paveway and this strike is its "bunker buster" feature since getting at things under ground/in caves is a different weaponeering problem. That's been an interesting nut to crack over the years.
Nice job, RAF, and looking forward to more good news.

downsizer 27th Apr 2016 19:07

This isn't even the first time the RAF has used PWIII, I don't see the fuss...?

Wrathmonk 27th Apr 2016 19:09

Lonewolf

The 2000lb PW3 (and EPW3) was similarly carried by UK forces over Iraq. The point the article makes is its the biggest used against ISIS (so far). Not such a yawner this side of the pond!

Kitbag 27th Apr 2016 19:15


This isn't even the first time the RAF has used PWIII
True enough, but reading between the lines this is the first time in a generation, ie the last combat use was before many current crews had ever strapped in to a jet

melmothtw 27th Apr 2016 19:39


Originally Posted by Kitbag (Post 9358460)
True enough, but reading between the lines this is the first time in a generation, ie the last combat use was before many current crews had ever strapped in to a jet


Were they not used in Libya? The Mod was certainly advertising their being 'deployed' for that mission.

mr fish 27th Apr 2016 19:43

as tallboy and grandslam (now THATS a bomb) had fins to impart spin...just how fast was the bomb spinning on impact?

FISH.

BEagle 27th Apr 2016 19:45

Has there been an post-attack intelligence regarding the number of daesh scum turned into hamburger by the PWIII attack?

I thought that FAE thermobaric devices were the weapon of choice to jellify such cave dwellers?

Anyway, good to see another successful attack!

MPN11 27th Apr 2016 19:50

I transfer my pension cash donation to FAE ... for the psychological impact ;)

Stanwell 27th Apr 2016 20:05

A voice heard from above...
"I say, Mohammed - Organise us another few truckloads of virgins, will you? There's a good chap.

Hangarshuffle 27th Apr 2016 21:03

Its hardly working as a strategy to end the war..... or conflict. This sort of news is dribbled out every few weeks. The UK public are yawning and wondering what it is all about. Those that can be bothered to listen or read about it, that is. Or post about it. How much does a mission to drop one totally cost in cash?

MSOCS 27th Apr 2016 21:48

What do you want Hangarshuffle? Do you want news, or don't you? One minute you're complaining that there's not enough being broadcast about our boys and girls efforts out east:


Hangarshuffle:Had to scroll all the way back into the third tier to find this thread again- probably a fair indication of how highly it rates on the current agenda.12 days will have passed since the last entry to mine. And that is entirely indicative of the level of interest in this air war, being carried out by real RAF aircrew under real threat. Amazing. It was front page news for days on end a few short weeks ago. Now it doesn't even rate on Prune. Chipmunks, Air cadets not in gliders and long forgotten piss ups rate far higher....Why is this?
...the next minute, you're moaning and picking holes when it does come out. If you really must question the need, or effectivity, in bombing the enemy (yes, they are our ENEMY!), may I politely suggest you do it with some consideration for those away from their families, keeping the "wolf" from your very door?

onetrack 28th Apr 2016 03:02

I always thought about the vast amount of wasted energy in a surface bomb blast. So much energy goes upwards and into the atmosphere and is totally wasted. A bomb that goes off inside a tunnel system or other underground cavity seems so much more effective.

Personally, I'd set the bomb up so it didn't go off on impact - but I'd have it wired with audio or camera so one could watch the increasing crowd of IS terrorists and their supporters gathering around it, filming, and celebrating the "total failure of the Crusaders bomb".
When the crowd increased to a sizable number of terrorists, then I'd set it off. Yes, I know, I'm an evil bastard! :E It must be my military engineer experience. :)

Buster Hyman 28th Apr 2016 04:41


Originally Posted by just another jocky (Post 9357974)
Cue lots of posts about how much bigger the bombs were in days gone by. <sigh>

But they just don't have the personal touch these days...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e05b09ebc4.jpg

MATELO 28th Apr 2016 08:31


The UK public are yawning and wondering what it is all about.
That is why I didn't post this on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/social media etc.

Lonewolf_50 28th Apr 2016 17:23


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 9358499)
I thought that FAE thermobaric devices were the weapon of choice to jellify such cave dwellers?

Yeah, FAE seems a good weapon of choice on some such targets, as using overpressure to good effect can really make a difference. Depends on the target ...

Selatar 28th Apr 2016 22:07

Certainly used paveway 3s in desert fox in 98 and Iraq 2003. Don't think any used in Libya. Old girls now, surprised they are still available. Not much more HE than the old 1000lb pave way 2 but a lot more metal to go deep.....

HP90 28th Apr 2016 22:30

This will likely be one of the last times that EPWIII is used, in future it will be replaced by a penetrator-warhead version of the PWIV (which will apparently have "similar" effects to the 2000lb EPWIII, despite PWIV being only 500lb).

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...y-iv-b-416761/

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 29th Apr 2016 02:17

My first thought, on reading the thread title, was "I wonder how long it will take them to save up and get another one?"

Pontius Navigator 29th Apr 2016 07:18

HP90, I suspect not. 2019 could be just over 3 years and more likely nearer 5 years away.

Herod 29th Apr 2016 15:15


"I wonder how long it will take them to save up and get another one?"
Open a crowdfunding account and the money would soon be there.

Wander00 29th Apr 2016 19:06

2000lb weapon, low radar signature, sounds like a job for the Mosquito..........hat, coat...

Exnomad 29th Apr 2016 19:52

I worked on weapon carriage equipment for V bombers, pretty sure 10,000lb items were around then.

Pontius Navigator 30th Apr 2016 07:55

Exnomad, be interesting to compare sizes of Blue Danube and Grand Slam. The latter going for 40k would deliver some bang though I believe Tallboy was better as it was stronger. If you had a BD bomb body you could pack a lot more RDX in it although I guess not as strong for penetration.


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