Knowing what a QFI you are Beagle, rather than just answer your question, here is an extract from the current Trg Gp Orders. Also, they are fully trained to the normal standard but on a smaller syllabus.

QUIs should only instruct the basic exercises in the UAS Guide to Sortie Content from familiarisation to the sortie prior to first solo plus simple aerobatics. Prior to first solo, UAS students should fly with a QFI. QUIs should not teach any exercise not in the QUI CFS Flying Course Guide. When flying UAS students on non-syllabus sorties, QUIs should adhere to the rules for passenger flying (TG(E) 2340), including not permitting a passenger to handle the aircraft below 1000ft agl, except that a QUI may permit a UAS student to fly normal circuits because a QUI is qualified to do so.

Most UAS have between 60 and 90 cadets on the books, some do indeed fly a lot, the majority don't. I would guess that the average will be 10-15 flown solo and 4-6 with a PFB and doing the advanced elements (formation, LL Nav, Spin/Aeros) per UAS, some are better than others.

Who would be (a) QUI (?) :) not a Which.

MTK ...

So 'Spinning' is classified as 'Advanced Training' and not taught prior to 1st Solo ?

Just interested ...

Correct, the Tutor doesn't spin unless you really really want/force it too. It doesn't even drop a wing at the stall unless you have so much power on you're climbing anyway.

Who was the leader of the Pedants' Revolt ..................?
















.............................. Which Tyler!! :ok:

So, having established that a 'QUI' isn't even qualified to teach the Part-FCL PPL(A) syllabus, who actually are these 'QUI's? FTRS Flt Lt/ex-Wg Cdrs who have been persuaded to fill the UAS instructional vacancies which the RAF no longer has the manpower to fill with regular QFIs? Or are they holding officers waiting for an OCU?

It all smells of beancounter-inspired dumbing down to me.

Yet once the rest-of-the-world looked up to the standards set by CFS...:\

Beagle,

I have a feeling that it was a while ago that the rest of the world looked up to CFS - unfortunately!!

Pretty much all FTRS, the only regulars on a UAS at the moment are the Commanding Officers. That may change temporarily during the transition to MFTS. There aren't enough ex mil QFIs to fill the posts and 115 don't have the capacity to train enough to the full qualification level in a reasonable timescale. It's not beancounter driven, the choice is have many fewer fully qualified instructors and reduce dramatically what can be done on the UAS, or train only to a level to achieve the task as not that many actually need the advanced level training. The fact that they aren't qualified to teach the Part-FCL PPL is irrelevant, that's not the job they are required to do.

And they will receive the full course and qualification eventually. It is a stop gap measure.

Mach the Knife wrote:

Why are 'ex mil' QFIs sought to fill the posts? Doesn't the RAF have sufficient serving QFIs left?

beardy wrote: 'Eventually' implies how long? 6 months...a year or what?

Eventually means when there is capacity to complete the course. Although I have heard dates being given, things change, notably being brought forward when capacity is released.

Don't shoot the messengers.

So sad really ... Yes the UAS Scheme was/is a primary recruiting tool for RAF Officer intake ... But graduates, in the past, that were able to gain a PPL (at reduced cost to themselves) courtesy of their UAS flying training ... who went on to forge a civilian career in industry, the judiciary or government/politics retained 'Air Mindedness' and were 'Advocates' for the RAF in general ... I can think of a few notable PPRuNe Mil Members.

................Que? :ok:

Which was of course Trenchard's original plan for UASs.

If you wanted to join as a regular - you were meant to go to Cranwell.

Nope, I think it should be "who"...