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NutLoose 2nd Apr 2016 18:53

Falklands now without naval cover for the first time since the Falklands War
 
Says it all really..


Falklands Islands left with no Royal Navy warship protection for first time since 1982 conflict

Fedaykin 2nd Apr 2016 19:32

Somebody had better tell the crew of HMS Clyde that they somehow have got lost and left the South Atlantic!

HMS Clyde (P257) | Royal Navy

pr00ne 2nd Apr 2016 19:32

Apart from the permanently based HMS Clyde, a British warship..,

Royalistflyer 2nd Apr 2016 19:41

But surely all Clyde can do if she sees a submarine or surface warship is run like hell because she carries no torpedoes, if she sees an aircraft all she can do is squawk because she carries no anti-aircraft missiles.

Rhino power 2nd Apr 2016 19:44

Whilst it may be fair to say that the terminology used to describe HMS Clyde is technically correct (i.e. 'warship'), it might also be fair to say that a Type 45 destroyer, or similar, has a somewhat more intimidating presence...

-RP

Fedaykin 2nd Apr 2016 19:51


But surely all Clyde can do if she sees a submarine or surface warship is run like hell because she carries no torpedoes, if she sees an aircraft all she can do is squawk because she carries no anti-aircraft missiles.
Why? the submarine or warship won't be serving with the Argentine navy!

Argentine destroyer that led war against Britain sinks, a symbol of decay for once-proud navy | Fox News

27mm 2nd Apr 2016 19:55

You're forgetting the Silent Service.......

PapaDolmio 2nd Apr 2016 20:01

Sssssshhhhh...........

Flap62 2nd Apr 2016 20:16

At this precise moment what is the threat that any warship would be a defence against?

Tourist 2nd Apr 2016 20:29

Same threat the Typhoons are defending against...

NutLoose 2nd Apr 2016 20:55

The Trinidad has been raised and read somewhere she is to be restored as a museum

Falklands' war "ARA Santisima Trinidad" refloated in Puerto Belgrano ? MercoPress

Mind you it isn't looking well in dry dock

http://www.defensa.com/frontend/defe...vn17491-vst330

Just This Once... 2nd Apr 2016 20:55

At least the Typhoons get launched against real Argentinian aircraft.

Bigbux 2nd Apr 2016 21:33

No Navy

No Air Force

oh hang on, which country am I talking about?:eek:

Frostchamber 3rd Apr 2016 14:21

A frigate or destroyer is only in Falklands waters for a few weeks of each South Atlantic deployment, and that has been the situation for many years now. So the suggestion that there is no frigate or destroyer there "for the first time" is complete bolleaux. As has been noted, HMS Clyde is the only permanent warship presence and that too has been the situation for many years.

Door Slider 3rd Apr 2016 16:44

HMS Clyde is not even owned by the RN (taxpayer) but is leased from BAE Systems.

Tourist 3rd Apr 2016 18:05


Originally Posted by Just This Once... (Post 9331378)
At least the Typhoons get launched against real Argentinian aircraft.

Really?

Or do you mean that the Typhoons sometimes leave the ground and go see some Argentine aircraft with no expectation of shooting anybody down.?


Bit like when the warships sometimes leave port and sail around a bit down the South Atlantic.

Hangarshuffle 3rd Apr 2016 18:12

They'll never attack again. Their countries a far bigger basket case than ours. We still have a few submarines, some TLAM, Typhoon.... eventually some HM surface ships would re-join and tip the balance . We Just need to pay people substantially more to keep skilled people in..or think of other special arrangements to manage the manning. Argentina have plenty of loud talk but little else...and who talks for them anyway?

Out Of Trim 3rd Apr 2016 19:03

I have to say, the HMS Clyde Patrol Vessel is rather short on credible arms. Not really a Warship I would say.

OK against fishing vessels but, not much else! We never seem to have quite enough weapons capability on any of our ships. Bang for buck seems very uninspiring to say the least. Why is that?

glad rag 3rd Apr 2016 19:46

HS it ain't the pay that drives them out in their droves.

Tourist 3rd Apr 2016 20:11

Out of trim

It's because while it is easy to look at little gunboats covered in missiles and think they are great, it's a little trickier to field credible blue water ships that can go anywhere at any time and fight any threat. Because they are bigger, they seem less gunned up.
Their actual capabilities are in an entirely different league.
Our type 22s were world class, particularly the batch 2 and 3
The 45 is great.
23s meh...


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