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Lyneham Lad 4th Mar 2016 17:06

F-15 Lakenheath crew 'disorientated' after laser targeting
 
Just seen this on the BBC news website.


The crew of a US fighter jet were "momentarily disorientated" when a laser beam was directed at the plane as it landed in Suffolk.
The US Air Force confirmed the beam was pointed at one of its F-15 Strike Eagle jets as it approached RAF Lakenheath on Wednesday night.
A spokeswoman said although the green light did not hit any of the crew in the eyes they were temporarily disorientated.
The jet landed safely, she said.
There have been many reports of lasers directed at civil aircraft but I have not seen mention of a mil a/c being targeted with a laser before. :(

Hangarshuffle 4th Mar 2016 17:37

Think it probably goes on more than the military let on. Yeoviltons jungly Sea Kings were targeted during night flying at Merryfield in years past as I recall (or rather I heard it - concede it may have been gloss but that was the story I was told).
But if lasers are so effective I'm amazed more people aren't actually using them against our side in the many conflicts that abound...

CoffmanStarter 4th Mar 2016 18:15

The people who perpetrate these kind of ASSAULTS are complete and utter idiots. Whilst I appreciate the difficulty of catching and ultimately proving culpability ... If found guilty then punishment should involve a long custodial sentence IMHO.

That said (and I'm not going to provide an example URL), you have to wonder at the need for a private individual to want a 'Pointer' capable of producing a 6000mw/450nm Blue L@ser (a l@ser of this power can start burning things within a few seconds of beam contact). Which has an effective range of >5000m ... Cost c. £200 ... Far simpler to cut off the supply of such kit I would have thought.

Shame the F-15 couldn't do a spot of reverse L@ser Target Designation.

Pontius Navigator 4th Mar 2016 18:26

HS, works the same as tracer - both ways.

Wander00 4th Mar 2016 19:12

Serious issue I agree and the idiots need to be stopped. However, less seriously, if Lakenheath had the strobe approach lighting I recall from trying to land a Canberra there 50 years ago they would never have noticed the laser

Innominate 4th Mar 2016 19:14

ISTR back in the early 1980s Farnborough was investigating ways of protecting military aircrew against high-powered lasers.

Geordie_Expat 4th Mar 2016 19:54

A Hellfire back down the track could really ruin someone's day.

Pontius Navigator 4th Mar 2016 20:57

Innominate, we used to use a LTD and had protective googles for use when we might 'see' the laser reflection at certain ranges. Our laser was not in the visible spectrum.

The problem is when you are deliberately lased in a non-threatening environment.

Shaft109 4th Mar 2016 21:51

Flasher
 
In Sandy Woodward's book 100 days he references that at least 1 frigate had a laser device called flasher that could temporarily blind Argentine pilots close in.

I assumed visors are like polarised welding visors that react instantly to certain wavelengths - but seems not

Bob Viking 5th Mar 2016 04:16

Lyneham Lad
 
It is sadly more common than you think and it's not just lasers that are a problem.

Ex Anglesey councillor in court charged with endangering RAF jet - Daily Post

BV

G-CPTN 5th Mar 2016 05:01

It seems that there was 'history' with Jack Jones:-
Businessman takes a pot shot at RAF 'Hooray Henrys' buzzing his estate at 400mph
.

BEagle 5th Mar 2016 07:24

As the trial of Mr Jones has been halted, to resume in Jun 2016, I suggest that posters refrain from commenting further.

[email protected] 5th Mar 2016 07:59

Lasing of mil aircraft is not uncommon, especially among the helicopter fraternity - some stations have a map of noted lasing incidents and each one is reported through ATC to the police.

As for Mr Jones - his use of the phrase 'Hooray Henry' gives you an insight into his English-hating nature - not untypical of the Viet Taff in N Wales.

4Greens 5th Mar 2016 08:12

A report suggests that a pair of spectacles have been developed which cuts out the harmful spectrum from a laser.

Stitchbitch 5th Mar 2016 08:56

You can get civvie spectrum anti laser specs for day and night flying, pm me for more details.

Al-bert 5th Mar 2016 10:53


his use of the phrase 'Hooray Henry' gives you an insight into his English-hating nature - not untypical of the Viet Taff in N Wales.
Funny how I never met any of the renowned Viet Taff in my nine years service at Valley (spread between 1978 and 1999). I'm guessing they must have been the ones who instantly switched to speaking Welsh the moment you walked into a pub Crab? :ok:

ps I did encounter a few Hooray Henry's though!

BEagle 5th Mar 2016 12:10

A colleague on my Gnat course popped into a shop in Llangefni. His haircut and general demeanour marked him out as an RAF officer, so a few of the local viet taff switched into their druidic tongue and started discussing what they thought about their visitor, the RAF and England in general...

Mistake.

Chum came from South Wales and spoke fluent Welsh. So after a few minutes he went up to the counter to pay, thanked the ignorant oafs for providing him with some amusement and advised them that they wouldn't be welcome south of the Menai until they'd learned some manners!

andyy 5th Mar 2016 12:47


Originally Posted by Shaft109 (Post 9299071)
In Sandy Woodward's book 100 days he references that at least 1 frigate had a laser device called flasher that could temporarily blind Argentine pilots close in.

Yes, a pre-deployment fit for several years ISTR.

Bob Viking 5th Mar 2016 13:04

I love it when people spout the myth about Welshies speaking Welsh only when an Englishhman walks in. I will admit that, when I arrived at Valley in 2002, I thought exactly the same (I am English through and through). Then I met and married a Welsh girl and I can assure you that they speak Welsh for no ones benefit but their own. It's their language you see. Would you say the same if you were in France and you heard the locals speaking French?!

The worst people in North Wales are all the visiting Scousers and Mancs but let's not go down that particular rabbit hole.

BV
(A semi-reformed racist!)

chevvron 5th Mar 2016 13:51


Originally Posted by CoffmanStarter (Post 9295250)
The people who perpetrate these kind of ASSAULTS are complete and utter idiots. Whilst I appreciate the difficulty of catching and ultimately proving culpability ... If found guilty then punishment should involve a long custodial sentence IMHO.

That said (and I'm not going to provide an example URL), you have to wonder at the need for a private individual to want a 'Pointer' capable of producing a 6000mw/450nm Blue L@ser (a l@ser of this power can start burning things within a few seconds of beam contact). Which has an effective range of >5000m ... Cost c. £200 ... Far simpler to cut off the supply of such kit I would have thought.

Shame the F-15 couldn't do a spot of reverse L@ser Target Designation.

Do the guards at Lakenheath not carry M16s nowadays?
Maybe there's a case for developing a system whereby if an aircraft is 'designated' by a laser, it can fire a laser back at the original one.


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