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NutLoose 1st Feb 2016 17:36

Death of the Airshow?
 
I would think this will probably just about kill some of them off, and possibly another nail in the coffin for the likes of Waddington as well if and when it returns, especially as it's supposed to be for Charity, all I can see is the cost being passed onto the punters to the detriment of all.

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/...GA%20final.pdf




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Stitchbitch 1st Feb 2016 17:46

Wait for it...wait for it...ladies and gentlemen, from your left, hangarshuffle!

Pontius Navigator 1st Feb 2016 20:56

NL, all RAF air shows were hijacked for the staish's charity tick in the box. IIRC the air shows or At Home used to be free. As they got larger so traffic control, police, toilets all started to cost, then a charity % was added, civilian displays were brought in and the original focus was lost.

RIP.

Planet Basher 1st Feb 2016 21:27

Air shows might survive in a reduced flying environment if there was more ground based aviation activities.

NutLoose 1st Feb 2016 23:56

What, like formation towing and speed jacking? Somehow I don't think they will catch on, people go to see them flying and displaying.

AtomKraft 2nd Feb 2016 05:59

If government agencies insist on recovering 100% of their costs by charging us, why the hell do we have to pay tax?

Krystal n chips 2nd Feb 2016 06:08

" Air shows might survive in a reduced flying environment if there was more ground based aviation activities" .

On that basis, this would prove a shade problematic for Cosford....and it makes you wonder, having read the proposals, how much longer this event can survive.

An astute move by the CAA however.....rather than simply banning airshows and thus being classed as the "bad guys" for doing so, simply levy an increase in fees and thereafter, as they become prohibative, a natural attrition results....winner !

dctyke 2nd Feb 2016 06:44

Is a RAF graduation,Royal event or funeral fly past counted as a air display?

BEagle 2nd Feb 2016 06:56

NutLoose wrote:

What, like formation towing and speed jacking?
The 1953 At Home programme for RAF Merryfield includes 'Three Vampire aircraft have been jacked up; for a small charge you can raise and lower the undercarriage'....:\

Which would no doubt break a whole load of H&S and MAA rules these days...:rolleyes:

POBJOY 2nd Feb 2016 08:12

Biggin At Home
 
I well recall being able to fire a bren gun (live ammo) at one of the Biggin At home's.(always on a Saturday)
The 'crowd' barrier was minimal and as i recall the gun was not secured to the ground in any way.
It was on the following Sunday that the Spitfire 'dropped' into the cricket match at Bromley !

Red Line Entry 2nd Feb 2016 08:46

Cosford has made about a quarter of a million quid for each of the last 3 years, so I don't see the hike in costs being prohibitive.

Dctyke, mil flypasts are regulated by the military, not the CAA, so the fees don't apply.

FAStoat 2nd Feb 2016 13:58

Spit down at Bromley
 
Was not that one "Larry the Lamb" ,who became an Air Marshall??I seem to recall it was the Martlesham B of B Mk16 that then became a Gate Guardian to fly again some 40 years later!?

AR1 2nd Feb 2016 15:35

You cant help but feel we're slowly having the life squeezed out of us. Everything is regulated and policed, costs need covering. The local bonfire went the same way years ago for similar but smaller scale reasons.

Then there's Joe Public. That's every one of us, fueled by the prospect of monetary gain, wringing the financial hell out of every bump scrape or waferless Kit-Kat (see todays papers)

Am I getting old?

Pontius Navigator 2nd Feb 2016 15:47

AR1, yup. I see three women are suing their travel company after they were injured on a beach where flags said it was safe to swim.

Personal responsibility?

Where I am right now in the Canaries there are no notices saying dont walk on the seawall, don't swim you'll get wet, beware the coffee's hot etc.

Finningley Boy 2nd Feb 2016 16:51

AR1 and Pontius,

It all started the day an American Lady reportedly brought a successful Law Suit against a company which made microwave ovens because the set of instructions did not warn against placing small dogs and other pets in the microwave oven to dry off following bath time.

On the airshow front, people are also uber synical these days and any attempt by the likes of the CAA to try and rail road such events out of existence, through unreasonable and difficult to justify charges to meet various risk, legal and insurance requirements, certainly won't be missed! Unfortunately I don't think they'll give a toss either, life is becoming increasingly restrictive. It'll soon cost an arm and a leg to be insured to walk down the road on the grounds that you've no need to risk leaving your front door any longer because you can shop online read the news online and so on.:rolleyes:

FB:)

Martin the Martian 5th Feb 2016 10:19

Llandudno Air Show cancelled.

Llandudno Air Show 2016 cancelled - Daily Post

Wander00 5th Feb 2016 10:36

I thought it was when Piper were done for umpty million dollars because there was no placard saying "Don't fly this when pi$$ed"

NutLoose 5th Feb 2016 12:05

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/120628

POBJOY 5th Feb 2016 12:41

Spit at Bromley
 
FAStoat Mk16 SL574 bellied in on the cricket pitch** (during lunch break) minimal damage but was not restored to 'flight status' and now resides in San Diego Air Museum.
**OXO sports ground. Mega thread on this a few years back which 'unearthed' lots of information with regard to the reason and confirmed the actual location.

Martin the Martian 6th Feb 2016 17:47

Couple of good reads:

CAA Airshow Charges Consultation 2016: Cause & effect in overview | GAR

Potential effects of CAA CAP1373b ? The end of the UK airshow? ? The People's Mosquito


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