PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Military Aviation (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation-57/)
-   -   Andy Hill interviewed (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/572146-andy-hill-interviewed.html)

ExAscoteer 2nd Jan 2016 13:40

Salad Dodger, please explain to me how the desire to have someone's name spelled correctly is in any way

petty obfuscation
or

keeping the ranks tightly closed
?

Graham Drinkell 2nd Jan 2016 16:43


Basically, Mr Hill commenced a looping manoeuvre at too low an altitude to complete it safely.
We all know that. The problem is nothing to do with ejector seats - it's to do with airline pilots turning up at air shows expecting skills that they once had - and practiced regularly (weekly in the season) to still be there.
.
Or too slow a speed to achieve a top height. The point here is surely designing a display with enough margin in it to forgive the odd error or variation without disastrous consequences. An obvious point in hindsight.

Heathrow Harry 3rd Jan 2016 13:28

good post - problem is people don't learn - the Jogya accident is a case in point - you have to ensure you have enough height .......

ExAdvert 5th Jan 2016 02:06

Not quite true...... I have a friend who was displaying a current mil FJ at a very prominent UK airshow a few years ago - over the top of a looping manoeuver he had just the right amount of gate height (as per his display design) but a significant excess of speed. End result was he nearly spread himself very publicly across the runway at the bottom.

You have to have the correct amount of energy, both potential & kinetic.

clareprop 5th Jan 2016 08:56


Salad Dodger, please explain to me how the desire to have someone's name spelled correctly is in any way
Quote:
petty obfuscation
I guess it might be seen as that if you were a member of a victim's family waiting to find out why you lost your loved one.

Lonewolf_50 5th Jan 2016 16:34


Originally Posted by ExAdvert (Post 9228627)
You have to have the correct amount of energy, both potential & kinetic.

If we could get this put into bold and flashing lights, please. *two thumbs up*

mrangryofwarlingham 5th Jan 2016 20:36

Agree.
But no one so far I know on the various threads have commented on what the correct ranges of potential and kinetic energies should be for a hunter....or in more usual terms: what are the numbers for the gate at the top of 1/4 clover?
From the information published by the AAIB, was the gate made?

Trim Stab 15th Jan 2016 19:55


Agree.
But no one so far I know on the various threads have commented on what the correct ranges of potential and kinetic energies should be for a hunter....or in more usual terms: what are the numbers for the gate at the top of 1/4 clover?
From the information published by the AAIB, was the gate made?
More fundamentally, I'm still interested to know whether the terms of his display permit allowed him to start his vertical manoeuvre at 200ft? Any discussion of this earlier in the thread was quashed by peer pressure.

clareprop 16th Jan 2019 15:17

Is this not sub-judice?

Davef68 16th Jan 2019 15:40


Originally Posted by clareprop (Post 10362267)
Is this not sub-judice?

It is now, and probably has been since he was charged.

John R81 16th Jan 2019 16:16

The trial has opened. BBC report here


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:26.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.