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Wander00 5th Jul 2015 08:50

Memorials
 
Am I getting things out of perspective, just a grumpy old man (as SWMBO
says I am), or ..............


The Government has announced it is going to fund the building and presumably the maintenance of two memorials, one to those killed in Tunisia, and the other to Brits killed by terrorists "abroad". Now I have no problem with that, but why then do memorials to servicemen killed in defence of this country have to wait for public and charity fund raising for their memorials and, for example, those who got the bomber Command Memorial built have to worry that their personal assets are at risk for building and maintenance costs

Dougie M 5th Jul 2015 09:09

National Memorial Arboretum
 
Wander. You beat me to it. There already exists a memorial to service and civilian organisations and bereaved of all classifications. From firefighters to service widows there are gardens of remembrance at Alrewas. The overseas and indeed the domestic loss of life to terrorist activity should be commemorated here.
It is indeed a tragedy that the sacrifices of wartime endeavour are not as well commemorated, funded or maintained.

MPN11 5th Jul 2015 09:19

Concur fully with you both - I had the same thought this morning. A sadly typical knee-jerk populist manoeuvre, and only slightly better than bunches of flowers tied to lamp-posts.

Really unnecessary and inappropriate. Indeed, one could imagine these memorials being a target for vandalism by extremists.

Wander00 5th Jul 2015 09:26

DougieM - thanks for mentioning the Arboretum. Hope to visit there in the next few weeks whilst I am in UK

CoffmanStarter 5th Jul 2015 09:34

I agree with you all above.

The Sunday Times mentions that this 'memorial' is to be funded from Bank LIBOR fixing fines.

jindabyne 5th Jul 2015 10:02

Just read the news, and concur with all of the above.

MPN11 5th Jul 2015 10:06

So well done all, and welcome to the Grumpy Old Man Club :)

Wander00 5th Jul 2015 10:08

I find it interesting that politicians, Osborne in particular thinks we cannot work out that Libor fines are still "public" money, however he spends it. IMHO this new memorial to the thirty murdered in Tripoli, however atrocious and sad the event, is a knee jerk, publicity seeking, "political" act. IMHO a step too far

50+Ray 5th Jul 2015 10:26

Agree with all the above.
Ray

P6 Driver 5th Jul 2015 11:30

To fit in with certain modern culture, non-military memorials must surely be chained to a lamp post with the words "RIP brave soljas, you is with the angles now, innit" featured.

NutLoose 5th Jul 2015 17:43

In all fairness we always have built one to mark tragedies, an example being the Aberfan disaster, or the Cathederal ruins in Coventry etc, so nothing new there.

It just rankles when they will not fund the upkeep of the memorial, ( or indeed originally build it ) to the thousands killed in Bomber Command, but will do it for 30 holiday makers

teeteringhead 5th Jul 2015 17:52


and only slightly better than bunches of flowers tied to lamp-posts.
And flowers I note - outside the West London Coroner's Court ???

Is it just me ..........:confused:

mmitch 5th Jul 2015 18:08

The Daily Mail last week had photos of 'Homeless East Europeans' Camping and eating food on the 7/7 memorial in the Royal parks....
mmitch.

Wander00 5th Jul 2015 18:44

This must be the first thread to get so far in total unanimity. We must all be GOM

downsizer 5th Jul 2015 19:03


Originally Posted by Wander00 (Post 9035551)
We must all be GOM

What did you expect, it is the Mil History forum...:ok::p

smujsmith 5th Jul 2015 19:33

Knee jerk reaction from a PM who feels guilty that he has helped to create this particular massacre. Interesting that his statement wasn't queried in the national press, as on this thread. If relevant monuments/memorials already exist why create more ? Or was the great Eton mess not aware of their existance? :ugh:

Smudge

thing 5th Jul 2015 20:35

Being as self awareness indicates a well developed higher brain function could we reach a consensus that Cameron and Eton mess are actually one and the same on the evolutionary scale?

As to the OP; I agree with all of the above. Remarkable really.

phil9560 5th Jul 2015 20:37

I honestly don't see the point.The people murdered and their families have my utmost sympathy.But if we built a memorial every time something dreadful happened ?

Union Jack 5th Jul 2015 21:20

Interesting since, whilst I concur with the general tenor regarding the main thrust of the thread, I cannot wholly agree with some of the supplementary sentiments expressed by some of those whose posts I generally respect and admire.:hmm:

Jack

Chugalug2 5th Jul 2015 22:17

Wander00:-

...but why then do memorials to servicemen killed in defence of this country have to wait for public and charity fund raising for their memorials and, for example, those who got the bomber Command Memorial built have to worry that their personal assets are at risk for building and maintenance costs
Perhaps the Royal Air Force Bomber Command Memorial would have been built much sooner had the Royal Air Force not just left it to a pop singer to make it happen. Who knows, if it had been given such official support it might have been funded in part and/or underwritten by the public purse. As it was the veterans themselves were left to pick up the pieces. Never in the field....


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