Ha ha- where I grew up that's probably how the pub scenario would go too!

CG

I got into a lot of trouble as a Canadian Navy Midshipman during the first go. My request for Falklands OJT with the RN got passed to Naval HQ without any adults looking at it first. Their Lordships were not amused :O

Is that SAMXXV person trying to discuss turbine modulations and their appearance on the (ancient) PD search radar display in fighters such as the F-4?

Or simply spouting utter bolleaux?

I'm disposed towards the latter.

Well obviously no military reason. It would of course be a political act.

Nice, an early April´s fool!

What´s next, martians invading Liverpool?

Doubt it. Their spacecraft would be up on bricks with the wheels nicked before they could say

"Take me to your.....oi! b@stards!!... no, not you, sorry. Can you take me to your nearest tyre shop?"

Er, yeah. A Scope. Frequency against amplitude. Good for ECM. Gets in the way of targets on the left side of the scope. Helps show where MBC is. Later generation radars, good confirmation of where a target sits in terms of Vc. Even later generation radars, not displayed because it's processed more effectively.

If we're talking about turbine mods, I'm not sure if we are, that is processed by by other circuits now. Kind of NCTR, EID stuff.

Maybe we're talking target detection? I honestly don't know from the question. Done my best to answer. Happy to help more if there's a more specific question.

...oh, and welcome back. You've been gone for well over a year. Hope all is well.

SAM,


I heartily endorse CM's welcome, our village is now back to full strength!


O-P


Oh, can you explain the bit about CW and 6 NM again please, I thought there was a RADAR eqn that covered that based on physics?


CM,


I watched a FA2 video that tracked the AIM 120 fly-out on the A-scope and also as a TWS tgt. F'in impressive!


O-P

So was the statement finally made? Anything new?

Before Fallon´s speech I heard the Chinook Flight was to come back south after almost 10 ten years. Is that it? No E-3, no River-Joint... not even an extra pair of Typhs?

And that single deployment´s going to imply 20 million pounds a year to the british tax-payers?

Is not something wrong when a press headline forces governments to act in weird ways? Could it be that we´ll be reading in the papers something about weapons of mass destruction in some argentinean hide-out within five years? What would then be stated in the "Defense Review"?

CAW,


You live in a land where the government acts in 'weird ways', you tell us what the press thinks!


Please, tell us what your Defence review will give your armed forces? Will it be a bunch of crapped out leased SU 24s or some lifex Kfirs?

Regarding this particular topic it´s pretty obvious that the country run by the press head-lines is not Argentina.

I admit that there´s a chance that actually the british press (or the american for the matter) could be a branch of the Government... But History tends to show me otherwise.

As for the second question, I´ll surely dissapoint you: none of the above will be flying argentinean flags. Neither soon nor ever.

Again I tell you, the press lies to you. They just simplify things to an extreme that an alliance between russians, Yedis, Yodas and argentineans to recreate a proper scenario for Operation Corporate II -The Definite Challenge, will be their next headline.

Freedom of speech means that you can read whatever anyone puts out. But don´t forget that freedom of speech is firstly the freedom of the owner of the press to say whatever he wants. No proof, no real sources, no truth needed.

Just like this fantastic tale of the argentinean build-up that we read as a saga since a couple of year back.

CAW,


I have no idea what you have just blathered on about.


With the exception of the BBC, all the UK press is independently owned. The BBC is funded by the UK government, but controlled by an independent board.


How is the press in the former Spanish colony controlled?

My friend, I know my english is not that good and I apologize for that. If you want me to I can translate my previous post to spanish.

As for the press in the "former spanish colony" if that`s meant to be offensive (shall we refer to England as te former french britain? or the US as the former british colony?) it`s clearly private owned.

Just like in Britain or in the states the press happens to have economic interests which makes them act in -again- "weird ways". You might remember this:

"But beneath Murdoch's public meltdown lies a bigger problem, and it’s not confined to England... It’s about what happens when media corporations get too cozy with power — and government officials fail to challenge them."

Rupert Murdoch Scandal | Free Press

Or closely in time:

Brian Williams Takes Leave as NBC Anchor Amid Controversy

Brian Williams Takes Leave as NBC Anchor Amid Controversy - Bloomberg Business

It`s the press!! That`s all there is to this topic. Why is The Sun printing these fake-news... just beats me. I can assure you that`s not because it is seeking the truth. It`s more likely "modeling a truth" creating a "common sense" that forces the G`ment to act in ways that go beyond my capacity of speculation.

I wonder if it has something to do with this:

http://i59.tinypic.com/2rqkak1.jpg

David Cameron dismisses concerns over UK defence cuts - BBC News

Cheers!!

CAW,

You are absolutely right to point out that, irrespective of ownership, a nation's press is not necessarily representative of its best qualities!

I would be interested in your prespective on the current national sentiment in Argentina. Would there be any significant support for military action to change the sovereignty of the islands?

Can I just point out that the stories about the Su 24s originated in Argentina some time ago.
I just thought I'd mention it as some posters appear to think it's a story from an agenda laden UK media.

It's also worth noting that many say the stories started on December 28th 2014 (CAW, you know the importance of that day) and that many Argentinians see the story as just a political joke that shouldn't be taken seriously.
It must also be noted that the Argentinian Government aren't saying the story is incorrect...........politicians and their self aggrandisement, they are the same the world over :)

Red Line Entry

There`s not a chance that the argentinean government could mount a military action against the british military garrison in the islands. There`s no political will to do so, there`s no military capacity to garantee a quick, swift victory, there`s no a single political party that speaks out loud about the need to solve the Malvinas issue by force.

There is a strong sentiment towards Malvinas but it doesn`t necessarily mean that argentineans demand military action to expel the british. It wasn`t like that back in 1982 and it`s not like that nowadays.

Barnstormer,

The SU24 story DID NOT ORIGINATE in Argentina. It was another one of those Sun Headlines. The buttom line of the supposed deal was so fantastic and unreal that I just can`t believe that serious informed people still believe it to be true.

In case you did not know when Argentina decided to get some russian equipment, payments were cashed in hard currency. Cows are no longer something that mean big economic revenues for the local economy not to mention that they are barely enough to deal with the local-yearly demand of meat for human consumption.

It actually originated in the Express. The reporter doesn't actually appear to attribute his/her information to any particular source, and reading the article it could have come from Russia/Argentina/MOD.

Falkland Islands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina | UK | News | Daily Express

Although highly unlikely, the proposed deal is really not "so fantastic and unreal" to be discounted completely.

Given the support shown to the Yanks (ops Telic, Herrick et. al.), even IF the Argies were prepared to bankrupt themselves for a crappy piece of dirt that really means nothing to anyone bar 'national pride', and even IF the UK couldn't meet said threat with superior force, surely good friends from across the ditch would step in and lend a hand. Wouldn't they? :ouch:

Our own press are far from independent though is it? they all have their own agendas, and are very capable of whipping up hysteria for the masses, at their masters request (and at times I've fell for it, I admit it).
Recent UK Govt statements struck me as total cojones, spewed out because of the general election and they have to try and look hard.