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Mil-26Man 20th Mar 2015 11:09

Quarter of UK's Apache mothballed
 
This rather significant Apache reduction appears to have slipped in under the radar....

UK mothballs quarter of Apache fleet with end of Afghan ops - IHS Jane's 360

Lonewolf_50 20th Mar 2015 12:33

We used to refer a thing called a "war reserve" and if the long term preservation is done correctly, it makes sense from a budgeting and 'wear and tear' perspective.

kenparry 20th Mar 2015 12:38

Does not look like a "war reserve" if they are removing bits to keep the others going.

Just This Once... 20th Mar 2015 13:20

The terms 'Mothballing' and 'Cannibalisation' have different endgames….

Mil-26Man 20th Mar 2015 13:24

I guess they're 'mothballed' up to the point of cannibalisation.

Vendee 20th Mar 2015 19:00


The terms 'Mothballing' and 'Cannibalisation' have different endgames….
Actually, the term they are using in this instance is "harvesting".

I don't think the Apache fleet reduction has "slipped under the radar". It has been known about for around two years. One of the 16 was the cat 4 wirestrike from a couple of years ago.

Rotate too late 20th Mar 2015 20:04

Cat 4 indeed, apart from the pilots pants, sadly they were Cat 5......:}

Thelma Viaduct 21st Mar 2015 16:56

From memory, wasn't it the case that quite a few of them were cannibalised from day 1?

How many were in Afghanistan at any one time?

Vendee 21st Mar 2015 17:53

A lot of them were put into storage from new (I was told there wasn't enough trained pilots) and they were indeed robbed severely but they were eventualy restored to flying condition. I was involved in getting the last one flying again a few years ago and it only had 10 hours on it.

melmothtw 22nd Mar 2015 14:08


I don't think the Apache fleet reduction has "slipped under the radar". It has been known about for around two years.

I was involved in getting the last one flying again a few years ago
It's probably not news to you Vendee, as you appear to have the inside track on the UK's Apaches, but I'd suggest that for the rest of us (certainly myself) this mothballing wasn't announced ahead of time by the MoD, and there was certainly no announcement in January that it had taken place.

I've gone back to the SDSR 2010 document, to check the MoD's claim that this 'rationalisation' was set out then, and can find no reference whatsoever to an Apache reduction to 50 aircraft.

Vendee 22nd Mar 2015 16:36

Apologies Melmothtw. I had assumed that it must have been publicised in the UK press as it was being widely discussed in the fleet two years ago, although the actual draw down has only been happening in the past six months or so....... I was obviously wrong.

melmothtw 22nd Mar 2015 17:08

No problem Vendee. I've done a cursory Google search just to make sure I didn't miss it at the time, but unfortunately looking for 'Apache; 50; UK' just throws up a host of results on a 50cc quad bike called the Apache (who knew?).

Looking on Flight and Jane's though (most of AvWeek is behind a pay wall), I can't find any mentions of it before this story.


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