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As per my post #74, it seems Portugal has opened formal negotiations to buy 5 with an option on a 6th.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...mbraer-438122/ |
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Embraer KC-390 Military Transport Flying Display at Paris Air Show 2017
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KC-390 wraps world tour
Embraer’s KC-390 wrapped its 40-day demonstration tour this week after stops in 18 countries throughout Europe, Africa and Asia. The Brazilian transport tanker made its flight display debut at the Paris air show this June and went on to a series of flight demonstrations before returning to Brazil. The KC-390 covered 49,537nm during its trip, demonstrating high temperature and high altitude take-offs, low-level navigation and simulated operational conditions, such as paratroopers dropping, a 21 July Embraer release states. |
KC-390 stall test incident...
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Brown trouser moment for sure - high AOA, ice and then your CoG changes without warning..............................
"As reported by Aero Magazine, the KC-390 registered PT-ZNF was performing critical pre-stall tests, that involved high-AOA (Angle Of Attack) and ice formation on wings. During the maneuver, an equipment used for the tests, detached from its place and rolled to the back of the cargo compartment causing a sudden change in the center of gravity (CG) of the aircraft. As a consequence of the rapid displacement of the CG the pilots lost control of the airlifter, that stalled and started to spin towards the ground. Reportedly, the pilots were able to recover the aircraft as it was only 1,000 feet (about 300 m) above the ground, and landed the KC-390 safely in Gavião Peixoto airfield." |
So, spin recovery post-stall possible in KC390 - tick!
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Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 9951668)
So, spin recovery post-stall possible in KC390 - tick!
":eek:with added icing!!!" |
Alert 5 » Details emerged from KC-390 stalling incident on Oct. 12 - Military Aviation News
New details have emerged regarding the stalling incident of the first KC-390 prototype on Oct. 12. Brazilian trade publication Aero Magazine said test equipment inside the cargo plane had come loose during the stall test – which was simulating icing conditions. ADS-B data showed the aircraft went from 21,000 ft to 3,000 ft in around 3 minutes. Airspeed dropped to 114 kts at one point. The crew managed to recover back safely at Araraquara 14 minutes later. Embraer said in a statement that some of the “access hatches and aerodynamic fairings must be repaired.” There was no damage to the fuselage. http://alert5.com/wp-content/uploads...9fdb637191.png |
FLIGHT TEST: Embraer's KC-390 an airlift jet-setter
A lengthy, comprehensive and interesting article in Flight Global
Snippet regarding AAR performance (in the Sim):- The advantages offered by the active SS became clear during our simulated air-to-air refuelling (AAR) exercise. After rendezvousing with another KC-390, I tried to stabilise just behind the refuelling drogue extended from the left-hand Cobham refuelling pod. I could easily remain stable fore and aft, but lateral stability proved challenging. We slid from side to side, almost wingtip to wingtip, as I tried to stabilise behind the basket. After working up a sweat, I backed out of the approach and stabilised about 100m (328ft) behind the tanker. At that point, Menini selected the flight controls to air refuelling mode. Like many aircraft, the KC-390’s default FCL are not optimum for air refuelling. In AAR mode, pitch and roll axis FCL were tweaked for the fine tracking task of air refuelling. As we again advanced toward the basket I did not perceive any differences in the pitch axis, but it was an almost opposite feeling for lateral tracking. While I was certainly no “Ace of the Base”, with AAR mode engaged I could approach and make controlled stabs at the basket. After a few solo attempts Menini joined me on the controls. While DUAL INPUT sounded intermittently, I could feel his stick inputs as we closed and made several solid contacts. Having been an instructor pilot, Menini’s ability to feel my control inputs greatly enhanced his ability to teach me how to air refuel the KC-390. With the air refuelling exercise complete, we rounded out the simulator session with visual approaches to normal landings. |
Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 9951343)
Brown trouser moment for sure - high AOA, ice and then your CoG changes without warning..............................
"As reported by Aero Magazine, the KC-390 registered PT-ZNF was performing critical pre-stall tests, that involved high-AOA (Angle Of Attack) and ice formation on wings. During the maneuver, an equipment used for the tests, detached from its place and rolled to the back of the cargo compartment causing a sudden change in the center of gravity (CG) of the aircraft. As a consequence of the rapid displacement of the CG the pilots lost control of the airlifter, that stalled and started to spin towards the ground. Reportedly, the pilots were able to recover the aircraft as it was only 1,000 feet (about 300 m) above the ground, and landed the KC-390 safely in Gavião Peixoto airfield." You can fit the most up to date cargo handling system to an aircraft but the odd 'transit chain' fitted for the 'just in case' scenario is always good practice. That and insisting that the aircraft spec has "the ability to fly with a 12 000 lb load jammed on the ramp" written into it just like wot the A400M had. |
any other cases of a swept wing jet transport of that size or bigger recovering from a spin ? Useful info for them i guess !
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Originally Posted by bvcu
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any other cases of a swept wing jet transport of that size or bigger recovering from a spin ? Useful info for them i guess !
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Good flight test review in "Flight" this week - very positive
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 9957946)
Good flight test review in "Flight" this week - very positive
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Two aircraft fully engaged in the flight test campaign with more than 1,600 flight hours. Results are confirming the design capabilities and that the KC-390 truly is the new generation multi-mission transport aircraft.
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Not sure if it will buff out..... |
I'm guessing the giant bin bag and the white spray paint are attempts to stop images being associated with the product. Not sure that'll work either...
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Originally Posted by Frostchamber
(Post 10139322)
I'm guessing the giant bin bag and the white spray paint are attempts to stop images being associated with the product. Not sure that'll work either...
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Originally Posted by keesje
(Post 8857668)
I agree Embraer might have a winner here. Not super advanced but right sized and affordable. Where are Lockheed / Boeing? Apparently they waited too long.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1MB2PI Boeing, Embraer to build KC-390 military cargo jet in U.S. RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - U.S. planemaker Boeing and Brazil’s Embraer are in talks to set up an assembly line to build KC-390 military cargo jets in the United States, Brazilian newspaper Valor Economico reported on Monday. In July, the two planemakers announced a deal to give Boeing an 80 percent stake in Embraer’s commercial aircraft arm, marking the biggest realignment in the global aerospace market in decades. At the time, the companies also announced a deeper sales and services partnership on the new KC-390 military cargo jet through a separate defense venture that they said was likely to eventually receive a joint investment. According to the report on Monday, which did not detail how the paper obtained the information, the two companies intend to create a defense-related joint venture to install the factory, which would be the second to produce the plane. Such a partnership would give Boeing a newly designed, U.S.-built tactical transport plane to sell directly against rival Lockheed Martin’s workhorse Hercules C130. The companies did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The move would allow the planemakers to grow their collaboration in the defense realm, after Boeing’s original takeover bid snagged on Brazilian concerns about it gaining control of national defense programs. |
How about Charleston, S.C.? Easy shipping from Brasil and sized to grow.
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KC-390 achieves key cargo drop milestones
Article & photo on Flight Global
The Embraer KC-390 tactical transport has completed a campaign involving aerial drops of cargo. “The KC-390 Millennium new generation multi-mission medium airlifter has successfully concluded the testing campaign for gravity airdrop and extraction drop of heavy loads by the use of the Container Delivery System (CDS) and Low Velocity Air Drop (LVAD), respectively,” says Embraer in a statement. |
Hungary orders 2
Atop of Portugal ordering the KC-390, Hungary has just ordered a pair to be delivered by 2023.
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?s...ium-airlifters https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....86d124a13.jpeg |
Heavy cut in KC-390 procurement - I have to wonder what that will do to the production line and costs. Hadn’t picked up the authorisation of new wide body tankers - chance for Airbus with the MRTT?
https://www.airway1.com/in-severe-bl...or-the-kc-390/ In severe blow to Embraer, Brazilian Air Force will reduce order for the KC-390 The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) announced on Wednesday a surprising decision to cut the order for 28 KC-390 Millennium airlifter jets. Claiming budget cuts, the service aims to reduce the rate of annual deliveries to two aircraft, but has not revealed how many units will be excluded from the order. According to the original schedule, Embraer, which has already sent four KC-390s to the Air Force, should deliver three aircraft in 2021, three in 2022, four in 2023, three in 2024, four in 2025, four in 2026 and three in 2027. The rate of delivery of two military transport jets per year suggests that the Air Force is expected to receive less than 20 aircraft in the future. “The main issue concerns the expected number of 28 aircraft under the current contract, which, at this moment, has proved to be superior to the budgetary reality of the Force, both for acquisition and logistical support over time,” says the statement released by FAB. The Air Force announcement is a major blow to the C-390 Millennium program. The order for 28 aircraft so far accounted for 80% of firm orders for the airlifter, which still has five units ordered by Portugal and two planes under an agreement with Hungary. FAB has also played a role as a showcase for the jet, whose first aircraft was delivered in 2019. With greater capacity than the C-130 Hercules turboprop and much higher speed, the KC-390 has been used by Brazil in several missions, including the health aid to contain the Covid-19 pandemic. Weeks ago, the FAB received authorization from the Ministry of Defense to acquire two widebodies for air transport and refueling under the argument that the force lacks large-capacity aircraft. Embraer has been betting on the C-390 as one of its main assets to obtain new orders while recovering from the failure of the joint venture with Boeing. The US airframer, in fact, was interested in being a partner of the Brazilian company in international sales of the airlifiter jet, but the agreement was also broken last year. |
I see South Korea is looking at building a similar design that carries underwing missiles for defence?.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...sport-aircraft |
Millennium news
So looks like the Dutch have ordered it as Herk replacement
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3...90-transporter i also saw it this weekend at Austrian Airpower (my pics below ) https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....29de390c4.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6834940ae.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f579784b6.jpeg And it’s been certified for aerial fighting cheers |
Hungarian under construction
First Hungarian KC-390 Millenium under construction
https://embraer.bynder.com/share/A4F...8679C1FA5E2EE/ https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d590180116.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bc0e11a281.jpg |
The Brazilian company @embraer and the Saudi company SAMI have presented a deal for the Royal Saudi Air Force to procure the KC/C-390 as a replacement for the current 33x C-130H.
The offer includes the possible creation of a KC/C-390 production facility in the country. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f39b22af41.png https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6af5ff9c7.jpeg |
Cool, I see the Saudi Herks all the time as they night stop at EGNX, it will be nice to see the Embraer.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11053369)
Heavy cut in KC-390 procurement - I have to wonder what that will do to the production line and costs. Hadn’t picked up the authorisation of new wide body tankers - chance for Airbus with the MRTT?
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Hungary made its first flight
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New Delhi, February 9, 2024: Embraer Defense & Security and Mahindra announced today that they have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the objective of jointly fulfilling the acquisition of the C-390 Millennium multi-mission aircraft by the Indian Air Force in its upcoming Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) procurement project. The MoU was signed at the Embassy of Brazil in New Delhi. |
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