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NutLoose 16th Jan 2015 22:59

Jaguar!
 
I know I rip the pee out of them....... However first time I've seen this and it's pretty impressive flying.


Rhino power 16th Jan 2015 23:52

Great video, watched this display at several airshows, looked amazing from the ground, as did the the Mirage F.1 pairs display too. If anything the F.1 display was even more impressive!

-RP

Fishtailed 17th Jan 2015 00:49

Thanks for posting this NutLoose, excellent flying, and good quality video. Just happened on it while listening to Layla on the headphones, very complementary!

thing 17th Jan 2015 01:28

Crikey some of that line astern stuff from 2:00 on was a bit good. well done Le Frogs. Although looking at the Jag reheat I think I've seen more power in a couple of Zippo fag lighters.

Good posting Nutty.

newt 17th Jan 2015 04:24

Very cavalier and in places too damn close for my liking! :=

Buster Hyman 17th Jan 2015 05:45

I see what you mean there Nutty...do they have to keep the after burners on for normal flight? :p

(Great flying there!) :D

RetiredF4 17th Jan 2015 07:42

Great quality, excellent close trail formation flying.
Other than that it is amazing how much fuel in reheat there is converted mainly to noise for some turning and rolling within 13 minutes flying time. And the wide landing pattern would suite a bomber too.

Vendee 17th Jan 2015 09:19

One thing I'm curious about is the ejection seat. I know the RAF Jags had the mk9 Martin Baker but the french one in the clip clearly has a face blind handle. MB's website doesn't shed any light.

pr00ne 17th Jan 2015 09:42

Didn't these guys end up having a fatal air to air?

longer ron 17th Jan 2015 10:02


One thing I'm curious about is the ejection seat. I know the RAF Jags had the mk9 Martin Baker but the french one in the clip clearly has a face blind handle. MB's website doesn't shed any light.
Martin Baker Mark 4

rgds LR

Al R 17th Jan 2015 10:32

I'm not surprised there was some pretty heavy breathing going on there.

BEagle 17th Jan 2015 10:35

Comrade pr00ne asked

Didn't these guys end up having a fatal air to air?
You're perhaps thinking of the fatal accident involving the 'Voltige Victor' Mirage F1 duo in Mar 2003?

The Jaguar duo were the 'Raffin Mike' team; I don't think that they ever had an accident.

Vendee 17th Jan 2015 10:46


Martin Baker Mark 4
Thanks for that LR. I've got it on the MB site now. I didn't go back far enough through the mark numbers to find it. I'm guessing that the French used that mark of seat through reasons of commonality with Mirage, Alpha Jet etc.

longer ron 17th Jan 2015 11:00

Yes I guess so Vendee - they obviously did not place too high a value on their aircrew : (
The 'Awful Jets' operated by qinetiq updated to Mk10's

Courtney Mil 17th Jan 2015 11:19

Re the point about the use of burner, the Jag had partial throttle reheat. Useful in close formation due to the slow acceleration (spool-up) of the Ardour engine.

It doesn't explain why they seemed to get airborne with 80% set :E

Great flying, fun to watch. Thank you.

Vendee 17th Jan 2015 15:57

The PTR on the Jag was a funny old thing. When selected, reheat would light at 86% NH but would stay lit until something like 80% on the way down.

As for the acceleration of the Adour, from memory of post installation EGR's I think you were allowed up to 10 seconds for a slam from idle to max reheat although I think about 6 seconds was typical. I went from the Adour to the Pegasus which accelerated so fast, it was difficult to capture an accurate figure on the stopwatch.

Gericault 17th Jan 2015 16:20

Chapeau
 
An outstanding display from both a punter and a fellow operator's point of view. Given how underpowered the Fr jet was, it's impressive to watch the climb after take off even given a low fuel weight and clean fit. Great guys too (Marchie) and a sad loss to the circuit, never mind wider defence.

27mm 17th Jan 2015 17:42

If you can find it, the Blue Angels F4 vid is reminiscent of this, especially viewed from the slot man - mostly a pair of large pink burners hovering just above the canopy bow; any dudes out there got a link?:cool:

Background Noise 17th Jan 2015 21:46

The PTR was devised to bridge the gap between full dry and min burner (presumably the French versions also had it). The Fr jet was less powerful but also considerably lighter so performance was reasonable.

Nevertheless, having seen the pair a number of times, it was pretty impressive both in terms of close formation and performance with the whole display not being much larger than the brit singleton display.

Vendee 17th Jan 2015 22:34


The PTR was devised to bridge the gap between full dry and min burner (presumably the French versions also had it). The Fr jet was less powerful but also considerably lighter so performance was reasonable.
There wasn't much of a thrust gap between max dry and min reheat but there was a big drop off in thrust below 97% NH. The PTR smoothed out that step. As for the French jet being less powerful, only the first handful had the early Mk101 engine. Most of them had the 102's that the RAF used up to 1980.


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