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Willard Whyte 24th Nov 2014 19:16


three main parties
There are 3?

Right now Con/Lab are on around 33/34% apiece.

UKIP are on 15%

LD 8%, Green 5%

From here.

MG 24th Nov 2014 19:19

Watch out for Sophie Gardner standing (we stand for parliament, the US run for congress!) in the General Election for Gloucester as a Labour MP.

Whenurhappy 24th Nov 2014 19:29


Watch out for Sophie Gardner standing (we stand for parliament, the US run for congress!) in the General Election for Gloucester as a Labour MP.
You are joking, aren't you?

MG 24th Nov 2014 19:33

Nope!
http://www.gloucestercitizen.co.uk/Labour-s-Sophy-Gardner-eyes-Gloucester-MP-seat/story-18769154-detail/story.html

salad-dodger 24th Nov 2014 20:14

First thought was, who?

Looked her up. Fairly typical ex-RAF officer CV, full of overblown hyperbole.

S-D

TdotEdot 24th Nov 2014 20:16

Thank you all for your replies. Although I am was aware of Sir Clive I was unaware of Keith Manns and the two current ex-RAF MPs, Jason McCartney and Steve Baker. I guess my ignorance was a result of not seeing either of the two current MPs speak up about the RAF cuts on national media whereas I have seen several MPs, all ex-Army, make quite a noise about Defence cuts to their old Service. Maybe I just missed them.


I just hope those future MPs who have served in the RAF, whichever party they represent, remember their roots and speak up for us as we go into SDSR next year.


T.E.

salad-dodger 24th Nov 2014 20:30


I just hope those future MPs who have served in the RAF, whichever party they represent, remember their roots and speak up for us as we go into SDSR n
I reckon you've got more chance of finding pixies at the end of your garden. It won't be long before they join the majority of the other MPs dipping their snouts into the trough and doing/saying whatever they need todo to keep their seat.

S-D

Rosevidney1 24th Nov 2014 21:32

Willard Whyte:


I stand corrected and should have said the three traditional parties.

iRaven 24th Nov 2014 21:49

From Sophy Gardner's web-page, I will now add my own suggested spin [in italics]:


I grew up in South London. I joined the Royal Air Force after completing a degree in Geography, becoming an air operations officer [isn't it Flight Ops Officer?]. My first posting was in the South West at RAF Lyneham during which time I also deployed to the Congo.

Subsequently I was posted as the sole RAF officer of the Ship’s Company of HMS Invincible which included a deployment to the Balkans in 2000. I was in charge of all RAF transport and refuelling assets worldwide at the time of 9/11 [Really?] and was subsequently awarded the MBE for my Service during this period, when I also oversaw tasking of UK assets in Afghanistan 2001 [along with many others, I hasten to add!] and the transfer of Milosevic to the Hague [did she personally oversee this or was she just 'there']. I became personal staff officer to Commander UK Forces Iraq 2003, visiting most Arab countries in the region. Subsequently, I worked on US-UK Air Force liaison working with the Pentagon.

Later, I deployed to Helmand province, Afghanistan, to assist the arrival of the UK forces in 2006 and then went on to military staff college where I wrote my thesis on military intervention and the US-UK relationship, following on from an MPhil in European Studies in 1994. I then worked in the MOD in Media and Communications before taking command of operations as a Wing Commander at RAF Valley, Anglesey. During my RAF career, I was promoted at the earliest opportunity at every rank, was the first woman in every job I was posted to [is this something to brag about? I thought we were all equal these days?], and worked hard to ensure that I left the opportunities for those coming up behind me in a better state than when I found them. My best experiences have been working with my teams and colleagues, women and men from all backgrounds and of all ages [likely below 55, I would suggest?]. I am a graduate of the US State Department’s International Visitor Leadership Programme.

Frustrated with military life [that must be a different one that you have just 'crowed' on about then!] and the restrictions that imposed on my political views and ability to participate actively in politics [thems the rules since the English Civil War!], I left the RAF in 2011 and set up my own business working with Service charities [is that supposed to be noble? most people give their time to charities for free!]. I worked as the Event Director and Media Lead for the unveiling of the Bomber Command Memorial in Green Park in 2012 which was a demanding brief working with many stakeholders from all over the world. I now work with a variety of charities and also volunteer at a foodbank.

Since becoming politically ‘free’ I have campaigned actively and continuously for the Labour Party [because like all other 'champagne socialists' the other parties won't have me?], including campaigning during the Bristol Mayoral Election and working with the Shadow Defence team on Forces issues [how's that gone then?]. I was selected on 20th April 2013 to be Labour’s Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Gloucester, 38th on the list of Labour’s target seats.

I’ve moved over 35 times since I left school and so I am very much looking forward to making Gloucester my permanent home [what was wrong with your native South London then?]. I am a member of the Cooperative Party and of Unite [sucking up those lovely Union votes, thank you], and an active supporter of the Labour Women’s Network
I agree with Salad-Dodger's assessment. I would suggest that she appears to be just another incarnate of the current political crop. If only Farage's gang could deliver something more than a gurning, beer supping, nice bloke you'd feel at home with chatting down the pub; then they might get another vote! :(

iRaven

PS. It is Flight Ops Officer - maybe she can't remember! https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/r...tions-officer/

Whenurhappy 25th Nov 2014 00:54

At least she has been on a few Ops, a lot more that can be said for most MPs. And no, she was not the first woman to be in the DMC/DPR(RAF) SO1 slot. IVLP - a week in the US? I'm not sure that I'd put that on your CV, although it does sound good.

ian16th 25th Nov 2014 07:13

Lord Stansgate, Anthony Wedgewood-Benn, Anthony Benn or Tony Benn et al did his National Service in the RAF.

He would wear an RAF tie when talking about anything aviation, particularly Concord(e).

teeteringhead 25th Nov 2014 10:11

And of course Norman Tebbitt, who flew Vampires and Meatboxes before his BOAC career (he also flew with the Auxies after his regular service).

Had the immense pleasure of sitting next to him at a Dinner in Westminster last year; amazing to chat to - 95% aviation and 5% politics! :ok:

RHKAAF 25th Nov 2014 10:45

My wife has just told me of a definition of " POLITICS "

POLY --- Many
TICS ----Parasites

Just about sums it up.

Fg Off Bloggs 25th Nov 2014 15:40

Ah! I vaguely remember her at The Towers, in the 90s! So she must have done bloody well to be:


in charge of all RAF transport and refueling (Sp - see me!) assets worldwide at the time of 9/11 and was subsequently awarded the MBE for her Service during this period.
Seems she was an acting sqn ldr in Sep 2001 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...5/supplement/9 - so, yes, in her world that would figure! I suspect, however, that the AOC would have a view on who was in charge!

Bloggs:8

Thelma Viaduct 25th Nov 2014 15:54

He'll make a great politician if he's a liar and a thief.

Evalu8ter 25th Nov 2014 17:50

Bloggs - think your dates are about 5 years out. She was doing BFT at Cranwell in the mid 90s. Strange that all that Pilot and Nav training isn't on that CV, along with other 'distractions'.....

Perhaps her career was a lot to do with 'right place, right time' (as are so many...); she stopped flying just as Ops Spt was taking off, had spent years in the flying training system and therefore stood out in a junior branch trying to populate the So2/So1 cadre almost from scratch. Against many of her peers she would have seemed experienced and capable, hence the rapid promotion. Maybe the job at Valley was a step too far - can't comment, wasn't there.


Who doesn't exaggerate the good and attempt to hide the bad on a CV?

Wrathmonk 25th Nov 2014 17:56

You beat me to it Evalu8ter....

This links to the London Gazette of 29 Sep 91.

Hangarshuffle 25th Nov 2014 18:05

Tebbitt was arguably a very nasty piece of political work, when it mattered to a lot of people. Jury is still out on our recent history and his murky role in it, as far as I'm concerned. Its only in his latter, very elderly years that (some) peoples attitude have softened a little towards him, because he was crippled by the bomb, along with his wife-he didn't deserve that, who would?
Anyway back on the thread, vaguely remember her from way back when and good luck to her.


iraven is a tory spook? Mole? Or just jealous?

99 Change Hands 25th Nov 2014 19:46

I thought the thread was about Paul Smyth. He had some rather 'old fashioned' ideas when I knew him. Should fit right in.

Bill4a 25th Nov 2014 19:59

They're a funny bunch in West Norfolk, and as Elizabeth Truss is held in very high esteem, he could have a fight on his hands! I shall watch with interest.


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