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The Helpful Stacker 20th Nov 2014 18:58

Group Captain Carol Vorderman
 
High flyer Carol Vorderman honoured by RAF - Telegraph

'Honorary Ambassador' for the Air Training Corps.

To be fair she isn't too bad in the uniform.;)

Melchett01 20th Nov 2014 19:44

Well now I'm torn. I can't deny she wears it well, very well in fact. But I wasn't aware that looking good in a uniform was the sole prerequisite for making it to gp capt.

But she does look very very good in it, and in the right circumstances I'd happily call her Ma'am.

Lima Juliet 20th Nov 2014 20:00

Notice the pictures stopped at the knees and unless she has kankles she cannot be a real WRAF! :E

LJ

PS. yes, before everyone starts, I know the WRAF doesn't exist anymore!

Top Bunk Tester 20th Nov 2014 20:08

Yeah but you still would, eh Leon?

Party Animal 20th Nov 2014 20:15

Yep - very much still in the envelope! ;)

Actually quite an interesting article and good for her, supporting her chosen causes.

Lima Juliet 20th Nov 2014 20:17

:ok: ....

Party Animal 20th Nov 2014 20:27

Just noticed a similar thread started by camelspyder. Better photos for you LJ courtesy of the Daily Mail - including some ankle porn if thats what floats your boat... :ooh:

Lima Juliet 20th Nov 2014 20:31

Boat well and truly floated, thank you!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...6500310004.jpg

I hope she was hoping to fly the aircraft behind her, though!!! :eek:

LJ

skua 20th Nov 2014 20:32

So she has severed one link with the RAF (an ex ex so to speak), and formed another! ;)

BEagle 20th Nov 2014 20:59

When I met Carol earlier this year at Sywell, she was absolutely delightful. Very natural, no meeja-luvvy nonsense and she immediately agreed to meet the Spirit of Goole 'Build a Plane' http://www.thespiritofgoole.co.uk/ youngsters who were next to our pavilion.

She is a real champion for youngsters wanting to fly; Gp Capt Vorderman MBE will be of huge benefit to the Air Cadet organisation and I wish her well.

chopper2004 20th Nov 2014 23:54

Had the pleasure of standing a few feet from her at Waddo in 2011, when she was chatting / interviewing the first female pilot of the Thunderbirds.

I found her very pleasant, warm, and very good looking (albeit even moreso in uniform lol :D) and down to earth.

Congratulations again and good luck in representing/promoting the ACO.

Cheers

tartare 21st Nov 2014 02:54

An engineer, a scary smart mathematician, an appreciator of things that fly... and pretty damn foxy looking as well - especially in that uniform M'am.
What more could a chap ask for...

chevvron 21st Nov 2014 04:43

If she's an engineer, maybe she can fix the problems with the Vigilant fleet (assuming they're still grounded).

tartare 21st Nov 2014 04:56

Vigilant.
Ahhh - I see.... you're not missing an `e' after all.
Small light trainer, not large American bomber...

chevvron 21st Nov 2014 05:11

It's the motor glider she's standing in front of in the photo at #8.

Kitbag 21st Nov 2014 06:59

Why the medal ribbon?

Cows getting bigger 21st Nov 2014 07:04

Carol Vodernman MBE

barnstormer1968 21st Nov 2014 09:05

BEagle

Very well said :)
If I take aside the fact I have had a crush on Carol Vorderman for thirty years she is alway in the media and so will have plenty of opportunity to mention or promote the ATC, or will be mingling with people who have influence.
It's often a case of who you know rather than what you know when fund raising or promoting an organisation.

Well done to her.

Yozzer 21st Nov 2014 09:35

I have no doubt that CV and indeed all VR(T) 'officers' do a power of good for the future generations, but I cannot help but think that this is closer to fancy dress than a serious uniform. An opinion fuelled to a great degree by an ex Army Sgt becoming an ATC Adult Sgt now employed full time as a TEST Sqn Ldr without ever crossing the threshold of OASC or passing through Plt Off > Flt Lt.

Should bone fide servicemen really have to treat these people with "Yes Sir - No Ma'am" and the usual protocols associated eith Commisioned Rank?

I reckon its time that a variation of rank badge was introduced so that you know exactly what person you are talking to. I have no sympathy with the RAFP as an organisation, but I once witnessed a VR(T) Flt Lt (w) chastising an RAF Policeman on the gate in NI for not saluting her. At that time no saluting occured on that gate, and she had been on unit for a day or so on an annual camp, and was wearing an unbuttoned DPM jacket over blues!

Before you all jump to attack, just remember that the opinionated Sqn Ldr at the bar may have no military experience whatsoever, yet has the confidence to throw his gifted rank around. It is going to be a brave JO who takes him around the back of the Mess for a horoscope reading.

BEagle 21st Nov 2014 09:57

Yozzer wrote:

Before you all jump to attack, just remember that the opinionated Sqn Ldr at the bar may have no military experience whatsoever, yet has the confidence to throw his gifted rank around. It is going to be a brave JO who takes him around the back of the Mess for a horoscope reading.
It would also be a very stupid JO who took such an ungentlemanly course of action.

By the way, have you never heard of 'Honorary appointments'?

dallas 21st Nov 2014 10:05


The father-of-one, known to his friends as 'Duffy', is an RAF pal of Prince William who flew fighter jets in Iraq and joined the Red Arrows in 2008. He left three years later and set up a mobile phone app business.
HRH Apps? Thought William had been quiet...:8

RUCAWO 21st Nov 2014 10:18

Yozzer you may find that the ATC WO has 26 yrs service in another dk green uniform with that being in constant threat ,including at home ,before becoming involved with the ACO or the skinny VRT glider pilot with five yrs military and 20 yrs dk green who in the last couple of weeks has been on the recieving end of an IED attack, or the couple who were in the dk green equivilent of 14Int :=
This is a good thing ,it has worked well with Sir Chris Hoy and at this years RIAT Carol Vorderman spent quite a while interacting with cadets on various stands and this is possibly where this appointment started.

Cows getting bigger 21st Nov 2014 10:41

FFS, it is great PR for an organisation which does so much good.

MPN11 21st Nov 2014 11:19

Best wishes for Gp Capt Vorderman.

She is not the first to assume such a role. Lorraine Kelly was appointed to the role of Honorary Colonel of the Black Watch battalion’s Army Cadet Force (ACF) in 2009.
Lorraine Kelly made Army Inspector | Metro News

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/m..._7068839_n.jpg

BirdController 21st Nov 2014 12:18

not attacking but...............
 
YOZZER: in another life when I was associated with a Somerset ATC Squadron the OC VR(T) Flt Lt was in his day job an Inspector with Avon & Somerset Constabulary - behind the Mess for a quiet chat, I doubt it!! :=:= (and his deputy was the town's Head Postmaster........). And yes, if I was still serving I would be happy to give either of them the respect their uniform deserves.

Well done Gp Capt Vorderman MBE, a brilliant ambassador for the cadets - still a fertile hunting ground for recruits to our current RAF I understand

teeteringhead 21st Nov 2014 12:28


the cadets - still a fertile hunting ground for recruits to our current RAF I understand
Indeed so - I believe that currently about 30% of all entrants - and 50% of aircrew - were cadets of some sort.

And Vorders does look well in her uniform ......

....... might even replace SO Harvey in BEags' affections! :ok:

camelspyyder 21st Nov 2014 12:42

BirdController
 

the respect their uniform deserves
If you respect the Queen's Commission, all well and good - but the uniform?

Ah! perhaps that was irony??

teeteringhead 21st Nov 2014 12:56


Ah! perhaps that was irony??
Not irony surely, but synecdoche .... or do I mean metonymy?? :confused:

[I always get those two tropes confused .....:ugh:]

Al R 21st Nov 2014 13:00

I suppose the modern equivalent is brand ambassador, well done her though.

simon brown 21st Nov 2014 13:35

Whilst I think its great that these high profile personalities support such organisations I don't much care for them wearing the uniform they are not entitled to.

In fact I think its a bloody insult to those who have risen through the ranks based on merit and having served the nation to have to pay the necessary compliments to a TV personality who has not earned the commission but merely put on the uniform as fancy dress

Just like honorary degrees...another waste of time

goudie 21st Nov 2014 14:05

The Army appointed Dan Snow as Honorary Colonel to the Territorials some time ago
Dan Snow recruited to publicise Territorial Army | UK | News | Daily Express

Gp Capt Vorderman MBE, wiil be a force for good for the ATC, IMHO

MATELO 21st Nov 2014 14:10


In fact I think its a bloody insult to those who have risen through the ranks based on merit and having served the nation to have to pay the necessary compliments to a TV personality who has not earned the commission but merely put on the uniform as fancy dress
Wearing the uniform does not bother me one iota.

It is the person befitting the uniform that matters.

Melchett01 21st Nov 2014 14:51

So taking the Royal Honorary appointments to one side, how exactly do you treat a 'celebrity' appointment?

I would hope that as gentlemen, whether officer or NCO, sir and ma'am might be appropriate in the first instance, but that might just be me being a little old fashioned.

If the individual hasn't undergone selection or training, do they have 'honorary commissioning scrolls', what is the authority to wear the rank? If one has to salute celebrity honorary appointments because they hold a 'commission', does that mean they have the rights and privileges associated with a commission? If so, are we likely to be seeing the honorary appointments completing CCS and fitness tests? After all, CCS may not be mandatory above a certain rank (wg CD-R IIRC), but senior officers are still encouraged to lead by example.

All genuine questions rather than a fishing or trolling exped. If celebrities are appointed to these posts because of their access and media abilities, then do they really need to hold rank at all?

phil9560 21st Nov 2014 15:02

I'm sure I recall reading that,regardless of the rank,a VR commission gave the maximum of Flt Lt seniority.I may be incorrect though.

teeteringhead 21st Nov 2014 15:08

VR(T) are all (maximum) of substantive Fg Offs, all above that are acting, paid or unpaid.

And for the last 2 or 3 years VR(T) have gone through OASC.

Highest rank for "real" volunteers is Wg Cdr (Acting Paid).

If the Air Force List hadn't been scrubbed as a pathetic savings measure, it would have been obvious .......

ExAscoteer 21st Nov 2014 15:38


Originally Posted by teeteringhead (Post 8751980)
VR(T) are all (maximum) of substantive Fg Offs, all above that are acting, paid or unpaid.

And for the last 2 or 3 years VR(T) have gone through OASC.

Indeed (although it's closer to 5 years IIRC). Additionally VR(T) Officers who have not previously held regular commissions are initially appointed as Officer Cadets and are required to do a weeks Initial Officers' Course at the Adult Training Facility at RAFC Cranwell within a calendar year of their appointment date, after which they are commissioned as Pilot Officers. Failure to complete the course to a satisfactory standard within the timescale results in removal from the VR(T).

tmmorris 21st Nov 2014 16:05

Presumably CV didn't do any of that.

VR(T) don't currently have a fitness requirement though it is under discussion. Some ATC staff will be in trouble

whowhenwhy 21st Nov 2014 16:10

Undoubtedly an excellent ambassador for an excellent youth organisation and looks fantastic in that uniform - I thought it was Kathryn Jenkins for a second.

I do take issue though with the award of honorary rank and with the wearing of the uniform. Surely they can be an ambassador for the organisation without being an honorary Group Captain, Flying Officer or Lieutenant Colonel? As people have rightly said, it is the character of the individual that is important. You get the braid/stripes/pips etc through (mostly) sheer bl00dy hard work, training, experience etc in your chosen service. Being given what is, visually at least, such a senior rank is innappropriate, IMHO.

slight strains of Susannah York though....

Heathrow Harry 21st Nov 2014 16:17

Ask Princess Anne - she never did a day in the services but parades in an RN uniform on Remembrance Sunday

She did have her own Girl Guide Company at the Palace IIRC


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