Spekesoftly,
That chap in your photo is smoking, and in uniform too, disgraceful! Where on earth did you find such an image, the airman in it should be on a charge!:= FB:) |
'Sergeant, take that man's name!'
Snap FB |
Sgt Wilson's reply: "I don't need to take his name Sir, I know it" ;)
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Really Wilson, when I ask you to take a man's I expect you to write it down so you know you've taken it.:)
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I also wonder what Pte Fraser would make of all this.
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On the subject of name taking, (pardon the thread-drift), in a former life as a Parks & Wildlife ranger, I was counselling a miscreant who was inclined to be a bit difficult. A Senior Ranger, who happened to be passing by (an ex-Bobby, BTW) rushed up and said to him... "I'll have you know, sir, I'm empowered to take your name!" I'm still laughing about that one. . |
Trim stab sounds like a park ranger.. Dressed in a Gestapo coat and Jack Boots.
Keep Off The Grass! Or you vill be shot.. No Smoking in Uniform! It is verboten.. And I vill tell you off.. Pick up your dog's mess! You grubby little man.. Jeez, first rate plonker. := |
In my day one was discouraged from going off base in uniform due to the IRA threat so not much chance of the general public seeing chaps in uniform smoking.
Mind you, one was positively encouraged to go to the scruffs bar at any time of day or night after a 9 hour sortie plus 4 hours brief/debrief, have a round ie 4 or 5 pints and then drive home. And as there were only 5 married quarters on base, we all jollied off onto the public roads. Double standards? Different culture in those days I know. |
I've got embarrassing memories of going into a shop to buy some fags in Ripley, Derbyshire while manning a Green Goddess during the 1977 Fireman's strike. I was in my RAF uniform complete with yellow painted tin hat.
Everyone turned round, looked at me, started clapping and parted to let me get to the front of the queue. Quite a humbling moment. p.s. trim stab..... get a life. :ugh: |
I am now ashamed to be on the side than won WW2 !
I've seen far too many photos and film clips of dying aircrew being given a cigarette by medics as they are carried away from their battle damaged Bomber on a stretcher after landing. What a disgrace to our country and no wonder no one wanted to give these men and their filthy habits a memorial for several decades ! :) |
My guess is that on the other side of the pond, a member of the armed forces would probably go to the head of the queue. There's plenty of other occupations who contribute just as much to society, who we could not do without. Yet they don't walk around in uniform just to get special treatment. I never ask for discount because I don't think I've done anything special. I'd feel embarrassed to cash-in on the bravery of others. |
It does make me feel ashamed when people I've worked with try to pull this stunt, thinking they deserve better treatment or a reduction in price from a family owned small business. Despite the fact they've stayed in the UK working behind a desk. There's plenty of other occupations who contribute just as much to society, who we could not do without. Yet they don't walk around in uniform just to get special treatment. I never ask for discount because I don't think I've done anything special. I'd feel embarrassed to cash-in on the bravery of others. |
Shack, I'm guessing your ;) indicates you know what techie is on about, and I'd like to back him up.
What he's talking about is the habit that is creeping over from across the pond. The American public, racked with guilt for the despicable way they treated their guys returning from Vietnam have swung the other way, so that now every clerk in the Pentagon who's never set foot out of the US gets a round of applause and thanked for his or her service. I've said this on here before, and got roundly condemned for it, but I am right behind gr4techie on this one. Serving in this country's armed forces should not make you feel entitled to any special treatment -I except of course those returning from Afghanistan, etc, minus bits of themselves, who are entitled to all the respect and practical help we can give them. But as for the rest of us expecting to be applauded and expecting discounts for just having done our jobs and been reasonably well paid for it - well count me out. |
TTN, hear, hear. Absolutely right
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Trim Stab......Judgmental or what!!!!....Grrrrrrrr....
You are talking a crock of sh@t. What makes you think he was going to smoke in uniform with his hat on and outside the confines of a building or vehicle?? You are a first class prat....What has.... 'where he was going to smoke the cigarettes' got to do with you? Mind your own f@cking business and wind your measly neck in you supercilious git! :E:E:E:E:E:E
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DD,
No say it as it really is - don't dress it up in diplomatic language! I totally agree with you. ACW |
It does make me feel ashamed when people I've worked with try to pull this stunt, thinking they deserve better treatment or a reduction in price from a family owned small business. Despite the fact they've stayed in the UK working behind a desk. There's plenty of other occupations who contribute just as much to society, who we could not do without. Yet they don't walk around in uniform just to get special treatment. I never ask for discount because I don't think I've done anything special. I'd feel embarrassed to cash-in on the bravery of others. |
Trim Stab
Location: Heart of Darkness Says it all really. |
What he's talking about is the habit that is creeping over from across the pond. The American public, racked with guilt for the despicable way they treated their guys returning from Vietnam have swung the other way, so that now every clerk in the Pentagon who's never set foot out of the US gets a round of applause and thanked for his or her service. I was stationed at Ramstein in the early eighties and the mawkish uber apologetic sentiment was embarrassingly cringe making. Broadcast on AFN, actors and so on were recruited to make a farrago of "feel proud of yourselves after all" type ads. And you're spot on, it contrasted acutely so with the scenes and sentiment reflected whenever the Vietnam era was the subject. FB:) |
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I spent 4 years at Ramstein and recollect that the majority of those AFN radio vignettes were about Fraud, Waste and Abuse of public (US Govt) money and facilities (amd invariably the military police were made to look foolish); the other recurring theme was advice from the US (Army or Air Force?) Master Fitness Trainer - Maj Hank Schwader - about drinking water during and after taking physical eaxercise:ok: Mister B |
The guy was only buying fags; what proof is there they were for him and not his girlfriend/wife etc?
I'm reminded of an occurrence in nearby Woking a few years ago. Serviceman goes to check in to a pre-booked room in the Holiday Inn (yes I'm naming it, nasty aren't I) and is refused a room by the new Asian owners as he was in military uniform. Didn't get too many headlines at the time (during a Labour government) I wonder why? PS. I knew a guy (over 65) who worked there a couple of days per week for a bit of extra money to supplement his pension. He said the new owners wanted to charge him and his workmates £8 per day to park his car there whilst at work and this was a substantial portion of the wages they gave him. Another guy I knew was a bus driver operating one man buses out of Uxbridge. If anyone in uniform got on his bus, whether regular forces or cadets, he would refuse to take a fare off them saying 'your money's no good on this bus mate, now go and sit down'. I even encountered this when I was an ATC Cadet, the conductress saying she had no change for a pound note for a 20p fare. |
HTB,
I do recall a rather more straight forward ad for re-enlisting, the 3 Rs; Revaluate Reconsider Re-enlist! Then there was a particularly public groveller with various, largely middle-class looking people, back home stateside dancing down/up the steps of what appeared to be a City Hall. I can't replicate the musical manuscript notes here, but I can the lyrics. To a real hand clappy tune, the ditty went; We'd just like to thank you for co-mi-ng through(thru) you're do-ing us a world of good, and so on. I can also remember close ups punctuating the song to various every day folk giving a thumbs up to camera delivering a more personal thanks to the United States Military. That's what has stayed with me since 1983, but there was more, and yes, if there was a queue at the PX/BX or Commissary, regardless of length if somebody in uniform joined the distant far end or immediately behind the next person to be served who simply wasn't in uniform (your's truly and a chum in the R.A.O.C. on one specific occasion) then they got propelled to the till ahead of all! They weren't rushing off to risk life and limb or nuttin, just doing a bit of shopping before, after their shift or during the lunch break. FB:) |
These 'stories' crop up about once every 6 months and are sent viral by Britain First on FB & such and often include a Muslim for good measure - or at least a reference to Islam.
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Cracking wind-up from "Trim Stab"! Took a few good bites there.
(I'd rather think that than the fact that she might be serious...) |
Just flicking through a booklet about the proposed Bomber Command memorial in Lincolnshire - every other pic all the lads have a fag on, Just strange how times change.
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Shaft, just thinking the same myself but later. For the first couple of terms at Locking,1961, we could only go off camp in No.1s, even when going on leave. No problems then in having a beer, coffee and lighting up in a pub or café. Not a good idea on the street though.
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Not a good idea on the street though. A few years back I saw a naval Lt Cdr in uniform standing hatless on the street outside a pub in Oxford smoking. I know the law meant he had to go outside for a fag but it just looked wrong. He was wearing a sword (I think he'd been to a wedding in one of the colleges) which made it look worse for some reason. |
33 1/3 years ago I was doing post-Selection training on the live ranges at Brecon.
We came to a mid-morning break, and the DS said "15 minutes break lads, you may smoke". There were about 30 of us. No-one lit up. The times they were a-changing. |
For the first couple of terms at Locking,1961, we could only go off camp in No.1s, even when going on leave. No problems then in having a beer, coffee and lighting up in a pub or café. A number of us - well a car load - had ventured as far south as Shrewsbury on a Saturday, for some lunchtime drinking - as you do. One of our number was a re-roling sqn ldr, a suitable bad influence on young lads comme moi. As we were in the pub, a couple of (Cosford?) apprentices in uniform appeared, and were drinking adjacent to a couple of (very) hairy rockers and their young ladies (sic). Said rockers gave apprentices a hard time - particularly over their shorn locks, and it looked at one stage as if it might all get physical. Whereupon, our sqn ldr mentor commented: "If we were a decent regiment, we'd join those lads and all get stuck in!" :eek: Fortunately not necessary, and in fact the rockers soon departed - sans young ladies - who eventually left with the apprentices - looking as if their afternoon entertainment would be more than just playing Scrabble :E - result! |
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