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Rhino power 26th Oct 2014 01:13

RE: Trim Stab's, erm, 'contribution'... DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

-RP

Trim Stab 26th Oct 2014 04:56

Can't believe you lot think it ok to smoke in public in uniform. I suppose you think chewing gum in uniform, hands in pockets in uniform etc are all acceptable?

If you are wearing uniform in public, you represent the standards of the service, not your own grubby low-life personal standards, whatever they may be.

And yes, I do tell that to any service person I see smoking in public in uniform. And no, I don't get anybody trying to punch me - they just stub out their fag.

Stanwell 26th Oct 2014 05:08

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At the risk of feeding the troll...


Please just go away. Cret1n.

dctyke 26th Oct 2014 05:34

I'm surprised it has not been mentioned that the army has relaxed it's rules on visible tattoo's. Due to low recruitment they will now take on recruits with tattoo's on their neck and hands, will look lovely outside Buck House :ugh:

Laarbruch72 26th Oct 2014 06:01

Trim, nobody has suggested that the serviceman was smoking, he was buying cigarettes. Clearly not the same thing. I never smoked in uniform in public but I certainly bought cigarettes while in uniform, in fact I did so nearly every day of my 22.

As an aside, I was refused alcohol in one or two off licences when in uniform, for exactly the same reasons as this case, i.e. a misunderstanding of licensing law. It happens. I didn't go to the press, I went to another off licence.
People don't half get their knickers in a twist over nothing these days.

Whenurhappy 26th Oct 2014 06:51


I'm surprised it has not been mentioned that the army has relaxed it's rules on visible tattoo's. Due to low recruitment they will now take on recruits with tattoo's on their neck and hands, will look lovely outside Buck House
No, the Army hasn't changed the rules. It was a suggestion from Capita to boost the number, but as far as I am aware, the Army hasn't accepted this suggestion.

downsizer 26th Oct 2014 07:01

WUH

I'm pretty sure they have, almost 100% certain I read a din stating the standards had been changed and were now more liberal.

Krystal n chips 26th Oct 2014 07:31

" If you are wearing uniform in public, you represent the standards of the service, not your own grubby low-life personal standards, whatever they may be

It's possibly just as well you, and your BP, never encountered those, in a different era I admit, wearing the M.U dress code....several options were available, non of which quite conformed with the expectations of those whose uniform was always immaculate.

You would, like those who were blissfully unaware, that when working on primary structure and bits of aircraft that rarely saw daylight once constructed, the perceived "grubby low life personal standards" of appearance had no relevance to the standards being imposed by the same low life in the course of their work.....been freely ignored.

You missed a golden opportunity however to " introduce yourself" about 8 months ago, on the M5 heading North just after Strensham services....a group of Para's broken down on the hard shoulder, several of whom were smoking.

Now that meeting would have been entertaining to watch, and listen to.

Hydromet 26th Oct 2014 07:49

OK, settle down everyone. Smoke if you've got 'em.

Typhoon93 26th Oct 2014 08:22


Why was a soldier in uniform trying to buy cigarettes in the first place? Service people should have pride in service and uniform. Smoking/buying cigarettes in public in uniform is akin to glue-sniffing in uniform, or being drunk in uniform - not illegal, but very definitely bad for the public image of the services. The only place that it should be acceptable to smoke in uniform is when out of public view - e.g. in the mess or, when off duty on overseas ops - though I would prefer that to be banned too.

If (god forbid) I ever had to work in an off-licence or tobacconist, I would refuse to serve anybody in a uniform representing a public service too (i.e. police, military), and I would give them a good earful too about representing their uniform.
The same people you preach to have more than likely been to war and been shot at just to protect your right to free speech. Remember that.

ExRAFRadar 26th Oct 2014 09:01

Personally I thing anyone in any sort of uniform should not be served anything. Ever.

When out of uniform they should also be made to wear signs around their necks with the words "My other clothes are a uniform"

And then not served.

Typhoon93 26th Oct 2014 09:07


not your own grubby low-life personal standards, whatever they may be.
FFS. How much more offensive can you possibly be?!

Why are smokers inferior to you? Or more to the point, what makes you so superior to a smoker?

If they were smoking a joint, then I could understand your point - drug abuse is not tolerated in any of the services. But it's a 'straight' cigarette!!! Get off that high horse, man. If somebody wants to poison their body with a legal substance, let them. It's not hurting you if they are outside.

reds & greens 26th Oct 2014 09:42

At this point, I think the Troll must be sat back, happily counting the bites....

Capetonian 26th Oct 2014 09:56

Storm in an ashtray. A small mistake was made by an employee of a shop, no real harm was done, and an apology, admittedly a pretty pathetic one was issued.

I believe, and I may be wrong as I've never needed to know, that it is illegal to serve alcohol to members of the armed forces in uniform. From there, it is only a small step to think that it may be illegal to serve them cigarettes, however irrational that may seem.

Much as I dislike smoking, people should be allowed to do so in their private space and time. I would not expect to see uniformed members of the services smoking in public, but if they do, I'm not going to let it worry me.

teeteringhead 26th Oct 2014 10:26


Trim, nobody has suggested that the serviceman was smoking, he was buying cigarettes. Clearly not the same thing.
At the risk of Troll-feeding.....

........ so - according to TrimStab - if buying ciggies is equivalent to smoking them in public, jolly lucky he wasn't buying condoms!!:eek::eek::eek:

Tankertrashnav 26th Oct 2014 10:35


I'm surprised it has not been mentioned that the army has relaxed it's rules on visible tattoo's. Due to low recruitment they will now take on recruits with tattoo's on their neck and hands, will look lovely outside Buck House
Maybe so, dctyke. PPRuNe, however, has not relaxed its rules on the correct use of apostrophes. :=

(TTN, resident pedant ;))

MPN11 26th Oct 2014 10:37

What a joyous thread to read on a Sunday morning. :cool:

My thanks to all those contributors who have put a big smile on my face :ok:

Mechta 26th Oct 2014 10:43

Perhaps servicemen should ask for 'tipped singles' (individual cigarettes), as this works for schoolchildren when in uniform. :E

Finningley Boy 26th Oct 2014 10:44


Can't believe you lot think it ok to smoke in public in uniform. I suppose you think chewing gum in uniform, hands in pockets in uniform etc are all acceptable?

If you are wearing uniform in public, you represent the standards of the service, not your own grubby low-life personal standards, whatever they may be.

And yes, I do tell that to any service person I see smoking in public in uniform. And no, I don't get anybody trying to punch me - they just stub out their fag.
Ok Trim Stab, old plum,

I happen to have good reason to believe that smoking and drinking in uniform, as well as out, are part and parcel of what being in the Forces is about. Every time I look at photos of Soldiers fighting in Normandy, every other one, it seems, has a fag hanging out of his mouth (cigarette that is!) so if it was good if enough for them in the heat of Battle its good enough for today's Government sponsored warriors!;)

FB:)

spekesoftly 26th Oct 2014 10:52

http://www.authentichistory.com/1939...In_Uniform.jpg


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