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163627 1st Oct 2014 19:29

Javelin anyone?
 
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-_aircraft.pdf

NutLoose 1st Oct 2014 19:37

And Helicopters anyone :)

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/document..._Sept_2014.pdf

And some artwork for the mess?

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/document...pt_%202014.pdf

Wander00 1st Oct 2014 20:06

Maybe the Al Deere picture should be offered to Cranwell, where he was Assistant Commandant in the 60s, or to his son in NZ

Willard Whyte 1st Oct 2014 20:08

That short of cash huh?

NutLoose 1st Oct 2014 20:13

I think they are the ones returned to Bentley Prior on loan.

These are possibly the Helicopters held in the RAF Reserve store

Royal Air Force Museum Reserve Collection - Images | Celebrity and red carpet pictures

Some interesting items there.

Fonsini 2nd Oct 2014 04:16

It always amazed me that the Javelin could leave the ground with that "doorstep sandwich" of a wing.

What exactly is Coolanol 25 anyway ?

Lima Juliet 2nd Oct 2014 05:32

Its a coolant for the RADAR...

DCThumb 2nd Oct 2014 06:16

My instructor at Swinderby described the Javelin as 'incorporating every aerodynamic fault known to man'! He insisted that the only reason he got in was that when asked at Biggin Hill what aircraft he wanted to fly, he said 'Javelin' - they didn't get many volunteers seemingly!!!

stevef 2nd Oct 2014 06:54

Blimey - XA634 - I well remember that from my Colerne Museum days in the 70s! There was another Javelin there too, XH892 if I remember correctly.
I've just had a 40-year flashback of that typically British cockpit aroma when sliding back its canopy on a hot summer's day. Almost enough to get drunk on. :8

NutherA2 2nd Oct 2014 08:29

XH892 is another one in my log book, it was J on 23 Sqn at Coltishall & Leuchars and is now an exhibit at the Norfolk & Suffolk Aviation Museum at Flixton.

CoffmanStarter 2nd Oct 2014 09:14

Not an aeroplane to deliberately spin I would have thought ...

NutherA2 2nd Oct 2014 09:18

Spinning, stalling & "Aerobatics in the looping plane" were all prohibited; the aircraft was also subject to a minimum of 150 KIAS except "on the final approach to land". By and large it was not one of history's greatest dog-fighters.

Roland Pulfrew 2nd Oct 2014 09:34


Not an aeroplane to deliberately spin I would have thought ...
I once had a physics teacher who had been a Javelin nav in a previous life. He used to tell a (tall?) story about a Javelin in the Far East that entered a spin; supposedly unrecoverable in the Javelin, so the nav ejected (can't remember whether it was my physics teacher or one of his colleagues - the memory is fading :\). Once he had gone the aircraft recovered from the spin and the pilot apparently circled the helpless nav as he descended on his chute to be recovered by a helo later.

cliver029 2nd Oct 2014 09:41

Colerne Museum
 
Stevef

In the mid sixties the Gliding club used to share the hanger with these aircraft. It is to my eternal regret that I did not take any photos of all the aircraft there when I had the chance, but there were other things on my mind at the time:O

Against a failing memory, I seem to remember it was quite an eclectic mix and I often wonder where they all finished up, a reheated Hunter for goodness sake why did that not get developed, surely it would have knocked the socks of the Lightning? Hat, Coat, door!

C

LowObservable 2nd Oct 2014 11:10

Coolanol 25 is a great name for a cocktail recipe.

bvcu 2nd Oct 2014 13:55

not many left now, hope she gets preserved and put under cover

Valiantone 2nd Oct 2014 19:39

So they currently have run out of operational airframes to flog of and dump, so now have to resort to the family silver....

Granted I reckon that as its been outside for ?? Years its not likely to be in great health?

V1

Stendec5 2nd Oct 2014 19:53

Apparently the cockpits are gutted, but I'd have it in a flash. Always been intrigued by the Jav.
There was a proposed "Thin Wing" Javelin in the pipeline with supersonic capability and a humongous Red Dean AAM under each wing. But it was cancelled (surprise surprise).
Methinks though that we should have gone in with the Canadians and built their excellent Avro Arrow under licence. Could have lead to further Anglo-Canuck
co-operation. There were some promising ideas and talent around then on both sides of the Atlantic.
Just a thought.

CoffmanStarter 2nd Oct 2014 20:06

NutherA2 ...

A thoroughly interesting read :ok:

AP 4491D Pilot's Notes Javelin F. (A.W.) Mk4 - 2nd Edition

AP 4491D Pilots Notes

Not forgetting the old lady at Manston FAW9 XH764 29 Squadron ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1_edited-3.jpg

Written off 1967. Suffered a heavy landing at Manston, Kent. Damage was only slight but with the impending withdrawal from service of the Javelin XH764 was struck off charge as Cat.5(G/I) and allocated to 7972M.

thing 2nd Oct 2014 20:09


I've just had a 40-year flashback of that typically British cockpit aroma when sliding back its canopy on a hot summer's day. Almost enough to get drunk on
Ahh, you have me reminiscing now...

I had a look around a Shack at Newark Air Museum recently and as soon as I stepped on board the pong hit me and took me back forty years too! An aroma once experienced never forgotten.

I knew a Javelin nav and I'm sure I remember him telling me that the airbrakes were a thing of wonder and you could descend more or less vertically at idle/idle with full brake.


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