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Jetex_Jim 1st Oct 2014 02:51

Eurofighter, deburred holes (insufficiently)
 
From Germany:


bundeswehr.de: Eurofighter: Flugbetrieb der Luftwaffe aktuell nicht von industrieller Flugstundenreduzierung betroffen


The industry has established a manufacturing defect in a large number of holes on the rear fuselage of the aircraft Euro Fighter in the context of quality control. The reasons for this are inadequate deburring by the manufacturer BAE Systems.
Faults on Eurofighter rear fuselage. Insufficently deburred holes. and BAE seems to own the problem. Can this be true?

TBM-Legend 1st Oct 2014 06:25

in English.

I'm amazed that this golden product has a workmanship deficiency. Outsource it to China perhaps for quality..!

Just This Once... 1st Oct 2014 09:39

German media is running a story where only 42 aircraft are fit for flight (with limitations) due to the fuselage issue with a further 67 grounded.

No apparent reaction from the other nations, so one wonders what the formal position is from the design organisation.

clunckdriver 1st Oct 2014 10:00

"De Buring",amazing! This is about the second thing one learns on a "Structures Course" to obtain a "Structures" ticket on a maint licence, how can this posibly slip by inspection/quality controll? Unbelivable, time to hire some ex- Halton Brats as inspectors!

TBM-Legend 1st Oct 2014 11:02

Just when you thought it could get worse, it did:
German armed forces admit fighting machines are faulty, reports say | EUROPE ONLINE

Fox3WheresMyBanana 1st Oct 2014 11:14

Are these deficiencies peacetime-unserviceable or wartime-unserviceable?

One of the problems, I suspect, is the politicians (in which you can include Very Senior Officers) mixing-and-matching what counts as war for different parts of the system.

glad rag 1st Oct 2014 11:31

Like wow, it is almost like the F3 debacle all over again....

Just This Once... 1st Oct 2014 11:39

Or it could be nothing at all. We have heard nothing from the manufacturer involved, no apparent reaction from all the other operators and the article it comes from appears to blame the wrong company.

It all seems a bit odd.

Bts70 1st Oct 2014 12:00

Never mind ex Halton brats, this basic mechanic knows that the second thing to do after squarely drilling a hole is to de-bur. Not read the story but at what point has this fault been found, must be more to it surely.

charliegolf 1st Oct 2014 12:18

And was the bloke whose job it is to stick something IN the non-deburred hole, not trained to check?

CG

ShyTorque 1st Oct 2014 12:19

What sort of de burd holes are dees? Are dey pidjun holes?

Jetex_Jim 1st Oct 2014 16:47


We have heard nothing from the manufacturer involved, no apparent reaction from all the other operators and the article it comes from appears to blame the wrong company.
The article fingers BAE, they make the rear fuselage. Who should the article be blaming?


Mechanics of the British forces was first noticed the error. Therefore, no longer to let the machine so long fly the Royal Air Force decided. The Air Force will now join the British and the manufacturer's instructions and limit the life tim
From Spiegel, (Google translation)

No reaction? Fair's fair. It'll take a while to put a spin on this one.


Planned Obsolescence anyone?

bill2b 1st Oct 2014 21:06

Never mind ex Halton brats, this basic mechanic knows that the second thing to do after squarely drilling a hole is to de-bur. Not read the story but at what point has this fault been found, must be more to it surely.


I'm an ex rigger after I left I worked for a civvie company doing major upgrades on the Tucano at Scampton.
Never mind "de burred" holes, on these things we found holes 6 inches wide that had been chain drilled out but that was it all the drilled edges were left "Ragged", Glad I did not fly in them

Thelma Viaduct 1st Oct 2014 22:13

What was the story behind F3s being butchered by carpenters, holes drilled all over then having to be cut and shut to get them flying again. I remember one of them crashing off Blackpool after Warton had to fix the issue.

Was it an MoD lowest bid refurb job???

Rhino power 1st Oct 2014 22:52

Airwork did the butchers job on the F.3 centre fuselages, they used incorrect tools to remove jo-bolts, which resulted in structural damage. Good job plenty of F.2's were in store or else entire new centre fuselage sections would've needed to be manufactured! :{

-RP

MAINJAFAD 1st Oct 2014 23:12

Yep, Airwork won the bid, BAe too expensive. 16 frames with required center fuselages replacing nicked from the F2's that were in storage. from what one of my mates at Valley who was detached to help fix them in the mid 1990s told me (he also told me that it was damage to the wing boxes that meant the replacement of the center section, which given their method of construction would have been mega expensive to remake from scratch had the F2's not been available). Airwork blamed the MoD and BAe for issuing incorrect documentation. The links at the bottom of the Wiki entry about Airworks have all the details.

Airwork Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It looks like they won a contract for work on the RAF Hercs as well and made a mess of that.

tucumseh 2nd Oct 2014 06:41


Airwork blamed the MoD and BAe for issuing incorrect documentation.
Later confirmed in the Tornado Airworthiness Review Team (TART) report and other ARTs. The RAF Chief Engineer had issued instructions that documentation was not to be maintained, and pulled funding. Airworks would not have known this as the reports were only released recently. That policy meant that it was madness to let any such contract on anyone but the Aircraft Design Authority.

However, the terms "good engineering practice" and "tools of the trade" come to mind.

captainsmiffy 2nd Oct 2014 06:42

Had better call Chris........you know, Chris De Burgh!!





Hat, coat......leaving

ExRAFRadar 2nd Oct 2014 07:28

Captainsmiffy - made me smile but I have ordered your taxi ;)

MAINJAFAD 2nd Oct 2014 11:56


However, the terms "good engineering practice" and "tools of the trade" come to mind.
They were for the car mechanics that Airwork were rumoured to have employed to do the task.


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