The story assumes that Cameron is rung every time one takes off. That's the issue if true.
As for Harman. You're not Gov Luv. On your bike.

Training Risky,


Well, seeing as you both reposted the article AND brought up what you describe as "the high cost of social engineering in the RAF" bit of a double own goal there eh?

Nothing to do with politics - it's a classic case of a nonentity seeking to become a stakeholder in a process that she has zero understanding of, nor influence over. She just seeks the illusion of "involvement".

A classic tactic played by managers promoted way above their capabilities in many fields...
"I want to be cc'd on that".

They need Labour's votes in Westminster. Harperson is doing this to make them squirm. Playing party politics over what is the right thing to do. Don't joke about her demanding more women to be involved, she has history of it in all industries. A truly repulsive woman.

Surely even David Cameron doesn't get woken from his slumber every time a Tornado takes off on an agreed sortie!?

FB:)

I wish he did.

"Hey Call Me Dave, another aircrew are putting their lives at risk because you politicians screwed up again. now go back to sleep".

The war is won, haven't you heard, we blew up a truck and took out a gun pit... But listening to the press you would think we've just single handedly turned the tide of the war... Well done guys, but next time could you please take out the press corp hotel first and save us from all the verbiage.

Expensive way to take out a machine gun.

Anyone on here from Camberwell or Peckham?

If you are, it seems you can ask her what her reasoning is.

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Go on, I dare you.

What was cost ? £500k ?

Thank you gr4techie and racedo. I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.

Accepting that it's off centreline on this Thread but is this sort of detail really helpful? BBC News - Islamic State vehicles targeted by RAF Tornados

Leaving aside doing the IS Int wallahs work for them do the people on the Clapham omnibus need to know the kill ratios? At least they haven't trotted out the rate book value of each round; yet.

My worry is will RAF run out of missiles before ISIS run out of Toyota HiLuxs ....................

Based on the Top Gear tests, it probably takes at least 4 Brimstones to take out a HiLux !

A couple of 20mm Adens would have come in handy, and cheaper.

Herod
 

I'm sorry but I just can't help myself. The Aden is a 30mm cannon that was never fitted to Tornados. The Mauser that is fitted to the GR4 is a 27mm cannon.

We often complain about the inaccuracy of journalists when it comes to matters of defence so we really should hold ourselves to the highest standards in this regard.

Your suggestion had some validity but was ruined in the execution.

Now take yourself off to a quiet corner and self flaggelate please.

BV:=

Relatively easy to Retro fit...................... just think of a number add lots of zeros and there you have it.

Should really add that if you wish your retro fit to work................ not correctly just work that requires lots more money.......................... there are shareholders and directors bonuses to think of.

If we are in a picky mood.... shouldn't it now be called a "South Yemen" Cannon?

Aden had a better ring to it.:}

FB:)

OK Bob, I stand corrected. It was only a light-hearted comment anyway. I'm a long was out of the RAF, and the nearest I got to an armed aircraft was a Wessex with a 7.62(?)mm GPMG firing out of the door. Funnily enough, it was in Aden (Yemen to the purists).

I once had a date with a Turkish belly dancer in Aden....she was known as the Yemen Kurd Tart.

I knew her sister quite well, Shakin' Othman.

One of the guys I worked with told me he was on guard in Aden armed with a .303. He was told to let off a round if he spotted anything cracking off and everyone would come to his aid, about 3am he spotted intruders, fired in the general direction and they buggered off.
No one came lol and in the morning he faced an enquiry as to why he was short one round.

Maybe Herod was making a reference that a couple of Harriers should have been firing the Aden cannon - in a parallel world in which Cameron had not scrapped them prior to a major period of world instability.

Meanwhile - the desperately right-on MOD-to-journalist gravy train rumbles on to remind us of our duty to 'equality'

British Tornado 'with female air crew' bombs key Isil position - Telegraph

Training

The Harriers would have to be GR3... The 7/9's never had an ADEN Gun that worked!

Too long ago to be sure... Was ADEN an acronym for 'Armaments Development, ENfield', or similar?

I recall working on a cost benefit analysis involving aircraft taking out T72 MBT's in the Central Front, didnt make very good reading as I recall - but Brimstone vs pick up trucks! Better quickly pass over the chapter on Economic Warfare.:(

lucky the bit in ROEs about 'proportional response' doesn't mention 'cost benefit analysis'. Mind you, if I was on the receiving end of the .50cal(?) shells from one of those wildly inaccurate technicals, I'd vote for the biggest, most expensive bomb in the arsenal :E

As the National Council of Civil Liberty's legal officer Harman campaigned for sentences against paedophiles convicted for possession of indecent images to be reduced if it could be proved that the naked/photographed children had not been ‘harmed’. She and her kind had their day in the sun with Blair and ran amok with myopic vote winning social engineering. A truly dreadful woman and a vacuous and irrelevant political entity to boot.