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Typhoon93 19th Sep 2014 11:29

Lossiemouth jets scrambled
 
Typical of the press to put an image of a Tonka on the article instead of a Typhoon.

Aren't the response times (or approximate response times) classified information? I believe it used to be - did the MOD recently release that information for the press to publish it?

RAF fighter jets scrambled to intercept two Russian military planes flying through international airspace - Mirror Online

Simplythebeast 19th Sep 2014 11:47

What a ridiculous report (as usual). Alledgedly an RAF spokesman said of the Bear...
“It’s like a big game. Every time they try to push it a bit further. The problem is Russia’s Bears are so old and slow they can be tailed by helicopters.

“Our Typhoons have to keep going around because they can’t stay behind them.”

thesimtech 19th Sep 2014 12:13

The Dail Mail got it right, though.
 
That bastion of British jouralism, The Dail Mail, got the correct pictures. Which is unlike them!!:D

KiloB 19th Sep 2014 12:18

BBC Intercept
 
Interesting to note the Bear has "BBC" boldly emblazoned across the Rudder!
Well we always suspected. ;)
KB

nmt 19th Sep 2014 15:44

'scramble'
 
I believe they were given a launch instruction, not 'scrambled'.

BOAC 19th Sep 2014 15:53


Originally Posted by An RAF source
The problem is Russia’s Bears are so old and slow they can be tailed by helicopters.

“Our Typhoons have to keep going around because they can’t stay behind them.”

What??!! Who was that? At least that well-known helicopter, the Lightning, could 'stay behind them'.:rolleyes:

barnstormer1968 19th Sep 2014 17:01

Have the RAF or Brit army used any type of helicopter to 'tail' a Russian aircraft.
I'm not quite sure what 'tail' means but if it refers to flying behind something then even if a chopper was doing 120kts and the other other aircraft was doing 400kts then the helicopter would in fact be able to easily stay behind the aircraft it was tailing :)

nutnurse 19th Sep 2014 17:08

Are you sure it wasn't a scorched, scotched Salmond they were keeping an eye on?

Just This Once... 19th Sep 2014 17:10

Yeah the Bear is famous for being slow.

Does it still hold the speed record for turboprops?

TEEEJ 19th Sep 2014 17:55

First QRA for RAF Lossiemouth

Lima Juliet 19th Sep 2014 18:19

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...336AE49779.jpg

Well done Chaps! :ok: (in more ways than one!)

clunckdriver 19th Sep 2014 19:38

Are we living in a time warp? my nav and I were intercepting these "mixmasters" way back in the fifties, maybe Putin is the reincarnation of Stalin!

barnstormer1968 19th Sep 2014 20:13

There are probably pilots thinking the same about the B52 :)

Coltishall. loved it 19th Sep 2014 20:29

If you zoom in you can see typhoon with his hands above canopy trying to slow down and zoom in further and there are "people" in the back of the bear peddlin!

Willard Whyte 19th Sep 2014 20:37

Possible new leftist administration amenable to 'visits' from anti-Western a/c from East of Greenwich.

Grenada 31 years on...

Luckily 55:45 against a new 'Cuba' on our doorstep, turn-back was awaiting word from Soviet High Command..., err, I mean that nice Mr Putin and his band of lackeys...

West Coast 19th Sep 2014 21:53

Dunno about a helo, but the USN launched an unarmed A-6 to protect the CBG from a Bear snooping around. A rather low point.

barnstormer1968 19th Sep 2014 23:15

I've just heard a radio news story saying that six a Russian fighters got close to North American airspace and were intercepted by American and Canadian aircraft.
I wonder if they used helicopters or fixed wing aircraft for the intercept :)

fergineer 19th Sep 2014 23:39

Bears slow, don't think so, remember pulling alongside one in a Nimrod, Mach trim CB. Pulled, feeling like we matched them and then they opened up and left us for dead.

fitliker 20th Sep 2014 03:19

Two of the eight aircraft intercepted in the Artic last week were Mig 31 escorts and a fuel tanker.
Having fighter escorts with modern missiles on board might make it a bit more difficult than shooting fish in a barrel.

Once A Brat 20th Sep 2014 07:29

....you mean that this isn't a Typhoon??
 
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc558e317.jpg


As we were talking about QRA and the press getting the wrong aircraft, I thought it was time for a gratuitous picture of a Lightning, just to keep the old boys awake.....

BOAC 20th Sep 2014 07:50

Ah! 23(F) as was. Presumably a piccy from the Victor. Cracking shot. Look - no flaps out on the Frightning either - and no rotors too.:confused:

Reminds me of the time I asked 'Victor the Vector' for pigeons to KEF and the man in the Bear blister held up a topo and pointed.................:)

CoffmanStarter 20th Sep 2014 09:21

It would be wrong not to include ...

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...hantomBear.jpg

Fair point BOAC ... so here's a better pic :ok:

BOAC 20th Sep 2014 09:45

Ah! But you must admit, a far inferior (aircraft) and picture.:)

I'm still waiting for one of the 'Rotatingheads' to post a piccy of a helicopleter chasing a TU95..............

Once A Brat 20th Sep 2014 10:13

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...s7sfEoWON4BwHA


.....not a heli, but how could we forget the Air Display Variant of the Tonka...

Bigpants 20th Sep 2014 10:31

Feb12 1987
 
Intercepted two Bear Foxtrots 100 miles off The Faeroes.

Two F15s from Iceland already on scene. Some points about the Bear, massive radar cross section, picked them up at 70 miles using an AI23 radar as fitted to the Lightning. The Bears were cruising at 30,000 feet and were quite quick. The Bear was so noisy and powerful I could clearly hear the engines while formating on them for pictures.

I imagine the crew of a Bear would get off in Cuba almost deaf and still be vibrating several hours after landing.

Aircraft was XS 919 and was southern Q at Binbrook that day. John Carter the other Q pilot. Unable to get home stopped off for fuel at Leuchars and in Ops was Alistair the chap who accidentally shot down a Jag. Interesting day out.

BEagle 20th Sep 2014 10:58

A Bear 'D' from a rather more comfortable cockpit:


Then we showed the Ivans a nice picture of Samantha Fox in The Sun calendar from the flight deck window. Much grinning and waving followed - little does Samantha know the part her parts undoubtedly played in perestroika!

nimbev 20th Sep 2014 11:06

Nimrod transiting back to KSS having climbed out of our op area. Scottish Mil gave us a contact on reciprocal course and above. Contact was a Bear with F4 alongside which both went a couple of thousand feet right over the top. Seeing as how the Bear wouldnt have been squawking and was most definitely not under his control it struck me as very cavalier of the radar controller not to alert us as to what the contact actually was.:(

CoffmanStarter 20th Sep 2014 12:28

BEagle ...


Originally Posted by BEagle
A Bear 'D' from a rather more comfortable cockpit ...

So would that "more comfortable" cockpit be the VC-10 ;)

http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/att...rd-jpg.161395/

Martin the Martian 20th Sep 2014 13:25

Was this a ploy to make the Soviets think that Strike Command had just introduced a brand new V-bomber into the order of battle?

dragartist 20th Sep 2014 13:36

So BEagle even had his initials painted on the fin.
My mum used to embroider mine onto my handkerchiefs.

BOAC 20th Sep 2014 13:59

I have mine in my shreddies.

haltonapp 20th Sep 2014 15:47

Lovely old "Belinda" takes me back in time!

Treble one 20th Sep 2014 15:55

VC-10
 
MTM you jest but the VC-10 was considered as a Skybolt platform at one point...

Typhoon93 20th Sep 2014 19:13

Do Q-pilots communicate with the pilots of these aircraft?

6foottanker 20th Sep 2014 20:05

Other than the finger, Goose?


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