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JFZ90 30th Aug 2014 09:56

Japan ATD-X - prototype
 
As reported here and other places.

The Aviationist » Japan?s new stealth jet fighter has been officially unveiled

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...-prototype.jpg

The pictures all seem doctored - with aspects of the main intakes and some secondary intakes on the upper fuse blurred out, presumably to disguise some stealth aspects, or hide the intake geometry.

What is more odd is that they have also blurred out the top of the main landing gear, or some aspect of the fuse design in that area.

Any speculation on the latter?

Bushfiva 30th Aug 2014 10:02

If you have access to other photos in the series, there's a guy in a light blue overall taking pics with a small camera or cellphone. I expect those photos will be online at some point.

dmanton300 30th Aug 2014 10:29

Main undercarriage looks straight off of a Mitsubishi F-1/T-2. As a sub-scale test aircraft I guess recycling that kind of thing makes perfect sense. The interesting thing for me is that it's clearly a twin seater.

Courtney Mil 30th Aug 2014 10:53

Dmanton, not necessarily a twin seater. The canopy is not unlike the F-15 A and D models, but hard to tell from just one angle. As Japan used to build their F-15s under licence, it's hardly surprising. I would say it "could" be 2 seat or maybe a common configuration for 1 or 2 seat.

My understanding, though, is that it's a technology demonstrator (hence the name), so I wouldn't imagine the seat configuration now has that much significance. The other thing is, at this stage, it's tiny - smaller than F-35. That, and today's technology, makes me think it's unlikely to be 2 seat.

dmanton300 30th Aug 2014 11:29

I still think it's a twin seater but points well made! :ok:

(Interestingly a quick search shows that the canopy and windscreen *MAY* be Kawasaki T-4 components, which still doesn't mean anything regarding seat numbers I suppose)

Martin the Martian 30th Aug 2014 11:40

I seem to recall that the EAP used quite a few Tornado parts, so I guess it makes sense to help keep costs down.

What does surprise me to some extent is that, with very similar requirements, why Japan and South Korea never formed a partnership to produce a new fighter aircraft.

Courtney Mil 30th Aug 2014 11:57

OK, how about only one ejection seat warning triangle?

Bushfiva 30th Aug 2014 11:59

Because Korea regards Japan as a brutal occupying power that has never acknowledged its past? There's no way Korea would cooperate with Japan on anything.

glad rag 30th Aug 2014 13:49


Originally Posted by Courtney Mil (Post 8631531)
OK, how about only one ejection seat warning triangle?

LOL nice one Courts...:D

Yamagata ken 30th Aug 2014 14:17

Because Korea regards Japan as a brutal occupying power that has never acknowledged its past?
Because Korea never acknowledges the reparations and agreements. Japan paid reparations to the Korean government. The Korean govenment chose to spend the money (reparations) on whatever it wanted. The Korean government chose not to pay reparations to the victims of Japanese occupation. It's a Korean problem.

JFZ90 30th Aug 2014 14:48

OK, so it seems Japanese and Korean collaborative programme is not on the cards.

Getting back to the picture. I suppose the blurring on the top could be anything - not necessarily an intake*.

The part near the front gear could be sensor related. But as this is a tech demo, it seems more likely they are focusing on proving the stealth aspects. Could this be a novel stealth technology? Plasma related?

Seems odd to draw attention to it in this way. Some normal red blanking covers would have raised fewer questions.



* they could be blurring out the second ejection triangle.:E Courtney is no doubt right, but it does look like a two seater. Maybe its a two seater config with only one seat fitted to the proto.

dmanton300 30th Aug 2014 15:32


Originally Posted by Courtney Mil (Post 8631531)
OK, how about only one ejection seat warning triangle?

Ooooo get you, getting all "logical" and stuff!

I defer, well spotted. :ok:

Tashengurt 30th Aug 2014 17:39

Couldn't the red circle under the canopy indicate an optional ejection seat or similar?


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Bing 30th Aug 2014 17:46


Couldn't the red circle under the canopy indicate an optional ejection seat or similar?
Or that it's Japanese...

PURPLE PITOT 30th Aug 2014 17:53

Just drowned my keyboard!:O:O:O:D:D

CoffmanStarter 30th Aug 2014 18:02

Clearly the guy flying the first trip is going for his Master Green IR with all that paper stuck on the inside of the hood :}

Courtney Mil 30th Aug 2014 20:29


Ooooo get you, getting all "logical" and stuff!
Sorry, Mate. Just spotted it at tha last minute. Mind you, as a mock up it may have nothing inside. We shall see!

Coff, I'd be happy to offer to do his rating. BTW, home safely?

It's a cute little jet, though.

CoffmanStarter 30th Aug 2014 20:38

All good Courtney :ok:

Tashengurt 30th Aug 2014 20:59

Well I'm disappointed. I thought my net would be fuller. I guess that's why I never went fishing.

Walking Ballast 31st Aug 2014 03:32


there's a guy in a light blue overall taking pics with a small camera or cellphone. I expect those photos will be online at some point.
Not if he has been blurred out as well.......!!


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