Adminblunty i'm not looking for admin, chef or stacker jobs I'm an engineer! Despite the RAF shiney's thinking i was a chef, maybe a should apply for one of those Chef Management jobs?

We can all pick and choose the top paid jobs, the thread is about the basic guys on the ground not the managment as has been pointed out.

I was merely stating how things are in the company I work for... and many more, though there will always be exceptions the majority are generally lower paid.

You were missing the point Army chappie, I was simply replying to give a rough indication of how many signatures I sign per day in response to the question.
I also do that day in day out 5-6 days a week, also for what it's worth, there is no time limitation on my tasks, your parcel when delivered is the end of the matter, if an aircraft I have worked on crashes and the cause is traced back to my workmanship 5, 10, 15 years down the line, I am the one in court and held culpable.

I got your point perfectly thanks; the relevant point as far as I'm concerned is that the last time I checked, there is no difference in the potential for injury to people, property or the environment, nor in the jail "we" may end up in. ;)

AM
You are missing the point - even as a very junior tradesman - one can be signing many documents every day !


Like nutloose I can be signing documentation 5 - 6 days per week for 47 weeks every year.
Yesterday I arrived at work expecting a relatively easy day of teaching somebody flight servicing but was unexpectedly asked to go next door and help out on a servicing
So I ended up doing RVA work on a 35 year old RAF jet using a variety of shufti-scopes and flex video probe - carrying out structural integrity checks on the airframe !
Fairly normal day for a rigger - but as you shinies say - no more responsibility than (say) most admin or stores tasks.
We are not saying that TG1 are more important than others - it is the scope and level of responsibility that is a little different !


RVA = remote visual aids

Hoofing: in the basis 8 hours of my day is legally scrutinised, and every decision could put me in jail, I presume I should be paid more than an engineer?

Or perhaps we should all accept we are all part of the same team, and thus our pay should be broadly comparable. Or are you a special snowflake who deserves special treatment?

Dunno ATG - since you are obviously a leg end in your own lunch time - who are we to be able to decide the answer to that question ; )

This has become a really unentertaining dick-swinging thread.

Apart from the odd post here and there.

And the dullness knows no end.

Question for the non technical types who are adamant they deserve just as much and tech work is no big deal.

Your special job suddenly grinds to a halt for no reason, symptoms are spurious and the last operator can only give you vague ideas......

Crack on then, it needs to be fixed now as there are troops in contact who need an urgent document sent.


Time is ticking, have you got a diagnosis yet.


Bottom line is the tech trade sponsors rolled over, yours all spiffed your jobs right up and made you all sound special.

There is only one left and you can't have it as someone else might need it!
Note, I don't include medics in this.....

But hey, we are all one team. Purple in colour, soldier first, now go and get the latest beep test done.

The reality of this situation is having two rigid pay scales for airmen doesn't allow flexibility to differentiate salary packages for differing trades. However there is no money and no appetite to do anything about it, it'll cost too much, austerity, etc. It has not helped that the work of some trades has evolved because of technological advances and political and economic influences. Low value work undertaken by some trades 25-10 years ago has been contractorised/civilianised and generally the work left over has a higher value and importantly attracts a higher score under JSJET. In essence the lesser trades have caught up as stackers don't work in clothing stores anymore, shineys don't run post rooms and registries, the cashier has probably been civilianised, TCOs have become IT nerds etc etc. Increasingly there are a number of niche high value roles being filled by airmen in a range of trades hence the shift. The old perceptions of the worth of a trade seem to be stuck firmly in the past.



LJ

Re HR Business Partners are board level, I'm a HR Director now and I can assure you they aren't, that is my role. I see Air Cmd are advertising for a HR BP at the moment, it is grade B2 (Gp Capt). You are right though, you do need a MSc, however a number of my shiney colleagues understood that and cracked on and did it(three of on my course alone)(thank you ELC), none of us have looked backed.

The thread was actually about numbers dropping below the 2010 33k mark and showing signs of falling further but trade politics obviously (and rightly) somewhat emotive. Some valid points and who knows, maybe NEM has the answers....