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chevvron 26th Jun 2020 07:25


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10817432)
The G /2.8 annotation is now shown on the CAA 1:500 000 chart - for those who use it!

Why is anything else needed? Plenty of nearby gliding sites operate quite happily without any ATZ.

Because there are some powered pilots who either don't seem to know what the cable hazard means or choose to ignore it.

hoodie 26th Jun 2020 09:27

So on that basis you implicitly propose that EVERY cable launch gliding site in the UK should now have an ATZ around it.

That'll make the chart look quite something.

POBJOY 26th Jun 2020 21:17

Safer to avoid
 

Originally Posted by Islandlad (Post 10817478)
What would you suggest is a good avoid of an Air Cadet Gliding field? Vertical? Lateral? For all directions? 2000ft AGL? 2-2.5 miles? Clear of Cloud? What would cover that?

If only on the basis that winch cables are to all intent and purpose invisible, and a glider on launch has a more restricted forward view, then the 'safest' option is to avoid the area to the side.
Of course it may well be that 'other aviation non gliding activities' will happen at LR so that is why they wish to sanitise more space.
It becomes confusing when you have an ATZ but no ATC to notify of activity, and the notam system is not a reliable medium to cover this, as it is already overloaded with an excess of info.
The most important thing is the Cadets have a Gliding site again.



chevvron 27th Jun 2020 07:20

Is there accomodation at Rissy for overnight stays? When I was there in '91, we stayed at South Cerney; helluva trek every day; at least I was able to arrange to collect evening meals from Brize (the VGS parent station) every day rather than close down, trek to Cerney, evening meal then back to Rissy and fly until dark.

tmmorris 27th Jun 2020 18:25

No but there is going to be.

Tingger 27th Jun 2020 19:03

You mean more accommodation. On top of the brand new (2017) accommodation block with integrated feeder, that matched the fully refurbished Sqn HQ and the brand new hangar? While other VGS carrynon with clapped out end of life leaking portcabins?

Sky Sports 8th Jul 2020 16:03

Spotted on another forum;

it would be useful to let people know that the Dept for Transport publish, on a monthly basis, all grants/expenditure over £25k. In their Feb 2020 spreadsheet you will find a Grant to Aerobility to refurbish Vigilant gliders of £745,000.
What a pity that nobody associated with air cadet flying could have been bothered to bid for this grant!

Looking at that spreadsheet, it is interesting to note that they give Bristow Helicopters in the region of £16M each month for SAR provision. Can this be right?

RAFEngO74to09 5th Oct 2020 19:16

Enjoyed being able to pass on the good news today, to the Officers Commanding VGS and AGS, that the AOC 22 Gp has given permission for the return of RAF air cadet gliding and aerospace training. Looking forward to welcoming our cadets back into 2 FTS over the coming months.

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Time to close the thread !

muppetofthenorth 6th Oct 2020 06:27


Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 (Post 10898774)
Enjoyed being able to pass on the good news today, to the Officers Commanding VGS and AGS, that the AOC 22 Gp has given permission for the return of RAF air cadet gliding and aerospace training. Looking forward to welcoming our cadets back into 2 FTS over the coming months.
Time to close the thread !

Not so much, no...

The Air Cadets has still lost over 50% of flying availability, the Vikings are soon to be out of service with no talk of replacements, and the spread of VGS and AEF units is woeful.

622 6th Oct 2020 07:30

How do they bypass the rule of 6 mularkey....is it the 'Training /Education get out'?

I would have thought trying to run a VGS with COVID restrictions is a minefield.....

muppetofthenorth 6th Oct 2020 08:40


Originally Posted by 622 (Post 10899034)
How do they bypass the rule of 6 mularkey....is it the 'Training /Education get out'?

I would have thought trying to run a VGS with COVID restrictions is a minefield.....

Youth groups / education has been deemed necessary.

However, that doesn't begin to cover actually getting kids to flying locations. Air Cadet volunteers have been pretty much banned from transporting anybody except themselves, so unless parents are willing to cart kids a few hours, drop them off, not be allowed on the station themselves, wait a few hours for no flying to take place because it looks a bit windy, then drive back again... This amounts to nothing but a PR exercise.

Tingger 6th Oct 2020 12:01

Not much of a minefield,

Wash hands regularly
Wear a face covering when required
Maintain 1m+ SD

622 6th Oct 2020 16:16

How do they handle things like parachute change overs.....do they sanitise between occupants?...all those dribbly cadets!,,,,

...and then there are the A/C themselves at crew changes.....and the vehicles.
When you look at the so called advice in the real world when you have had passengers in your car .....it’s practically a full valet!

muppetofthenorth 6th Oct 2020 16:34


Originally Posted by Tingger (Post 10899169)
Not much of a minefield,

Wash hands regularly
Wear a face covering when required
Maintain 1m+ SD

Air cadet guidance - which has gone to them from the RAF - is for equipment to be quarantined for 72 hrs between uses.

AnglianAV8R 6th Oct 2020 18:46


Originally Posted by Tingger (Post 10899169)
Not much of a minefield,

Wash hands regularly
Wear a face covering when required
Maintain 1m+ SD

and clap, don't forget to clap.

Tingger 6th Oct 2020 20:39


Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth (Post 10899321)
Air cadet guidance - which has gone to them from the RAF - is for equipment to be quarantined for 72 hrs between uses.

There is no requirement in the RAFAC guidance to quarantine equipment for 72 hours, this only appears in relation to returned clothing.

622 - clean the aircraft in accordance with Engineers advice, minimise sharing of equipment so not everyone gets to put a cable on. Gliding clubs have been operating since May for solo and flying training organisations since July

Tingger 29th Oct 2020 04:30

https://www.flyer.co.uk/aerobility-o...8e1b-300381213

Get yourself a nice ex MOD airframe, only dropped once.

Mushroom club 29th Oct 2020 10:05

Hmm...so these are the same aircraft that could not be returned to service with the Air Cadets?

Big Pistons Forever 29th Oct 2020 17:31

My glider club is seeing an influx of young people who want to get their GPL because sadly it looks like all glider flying for the Canadian Air Cadets has been cancelled right through next summer. A whole cohort of young people will miss their chance to get their GPL's through the excellent free Air Cadet program due to COVID-19

Even if things start to get back to normal in 2022 the program will have lost its momentum and critical staff may have drifted away. As well every aspect of the Cadet experience has been diminished by draconian COVID protocols that are already resulting in young people leaving due to the lack of interesting and engaging activities on offer. Lack of flying may be the least of the problems for every nations Air Cadet program....

Sky Sports 29th Oct 2020 18:12


Hmm...so these are the same aircraft that could not be returned to service with the Air Cadets?
Absolutely scandalous what has happened to these aircraft!

Wonder if the DfT would give a certain 'youth organisation' a grant to buy them back?


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