Achtung Typhoon!
 

Now that's an interesting image :ok:

Shame the Typhoon didn't have Roundels :E

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Gen 1 v Gen 4 ... What odds would you give the ME262 for the kill (just guns) ?

Nice question, Coff. The 262 wasn't truly much of a dog fighter. It was a great bomber killer and hard for the escorts to engage because of its speed and its thumping great 30mm cannons. But it had a very high wing loading so its turn rate/radius wasn't that great; that said it notched up a good few Mustangs on its bedpost, mainly high speed fly through shots rather than a turning fight.

Sadly for nostalgia and without using any hard figures, I'm afraid Typhoon has it. If flown by a RAF pilot, of course. :ok:

Achtung Typhoon!
 

None whatsoever unless the Tiffy was parked and chocked.

Less than 0 and I suspect that is too much. Cracking picture.:ok:

Actually as it's a continuation me262 with modern jet engines, overcoming the biggest issue with the original and if the fadec was altered has massively more thrust than the original it would put up a bit of a fight

Out of interest Howard Hughes bought one to race at the Cleveland races against the p80 shooting star and the us government stopped him. Only bad point was poor engines, the fuselage and wings are excellent. Those wings fathered the sabre and hunter. While focke wolfs wing design heavily influenced soviet fighter development

Video footage here..



Stormbirds project

This is probably the most useful thing a Luftwaffe Typhoon will ever do.

Even more pedantic, ze Germans would never call it a 'Typhoon', no matter how much I insisted :E it is still the Eurofighter over there

Cracking photo :ok:


Shame the 262 isn't painted as Heinz Bar's Red 13.

Odds on the ME262 would kill the ME262 pilot. :uhoh:

Awesome.
 

The 262 looks such an awesome, fearsome aircraft for its time. Cant imagine how frightening it must have been for those US and RAF daylight bomber crews to face. Years ago I read Chuck Yeager's book, there's a bit about how he faced up to them, and I think shot one down (dived on it as it came into land).


All of Nazi Germany military equipment seems tremendous in comparison to Britain's- all seems a "first" in military design, they seemed to get everything right first time, the list is almost endless. Their concepts seem to have been followed on for what 70 years+.
The 262 v the Meteor (did they ever meet in combat, did the Meteor fly over Germany?).
The 88mm V. the 2 or 6Ib anti tank gun.
The first cruise missile, the first ballistic missile.
The first purpose built close support aircraft (Ju87).
The first purpose built main battle tank (Tiger 1).


It just goes on and on. Could never give enough credit to our people who faced up and beat them down.

Coff, do you think we should tell our fellow PPRuNers that we have a bloke who flew the 262 coming to talk to us at Cambridge RAeS in April. Not sure if the details are up on the web site yet but it will be announced at Sir Arthurs lecture next week.


Capt Eric Brown CBE, DSC, AFC - Flying captured German Aircraft during WW2- Lecture Room O Cambridge University Engineering Dept. 3rd April 2014 - 19:30 Hrs Visitors welcome.


Don't tell everyone. I could not get a seat when Andy Green came. had to sit on the hard concrete step. Not good for the farmers.

It's 'EuFi' in Luftwaffe...such a gentle nick, until it roars past you.

A comment on OP...if you ditch those two JuMos and replace them with EJ200s (looks they may even fit original gondolas), well...

Dragartist old chap ... Should be a good one ... Hope all goes well. You've certainly got a cracking line up of lectures this year :ok:

Pretty sure they didn't meet in combat.

I think a fair assumption of the 262 was Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a Cow! dragartist...Could you ask him about maneuverability please? Love to hear it from a pilot & not "researchers".

Wasn't the 30mm ADEN a copy of the weapon in the 262?

Roger that Buster, I think what I will do is start a new thread, say a fortnight before (that's two weeks in English money) as others may treasure the warning order.


Those guys at Cambridge must be well connected as they have put on some real good lectures this year. They have an Air Marshall talking F35 next week. Then Skylon in March. all very topical stuff.


Can someone save me digging out the books. Is the Typhoon in the foreground in the picture? it looks so small in comparison with the 262.


I did read an interesting quote about these engines. I think the design life was 25 hrs due to the limitations of the blade materials. When Winkle flew it he did not know if it was a 1 hr or 24 and a half hour engine (It may have been one of the other German jets. I do like his story on the rocket fuels and the German ground crew.

Quite.

There maybe one or two members on here that may well have met a famous 262 pilot that was forever scarred after barely surviving a crash that hospitalised him for 2 years.....but later went on to fly the F-104 in the West German Airforce.

Battle of Britain veteran, as well as Me262 'ace', 'Macky' Steinhoff in later years showing the result of the burns suffered in his 262 crash.

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Nope.

The ADEN (and I believe the US M39) were based on the experimental and unfielded Mauser MG213C.